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Old 06-01-2018, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It is the stumbling block you place in front of those who would come to God and know His love for us that displeases God. You demand they believe all manner of irrational and illogical things to be accepted by God. You block access to God's love.
The message of Christ may seem irrational and illogical to you, but it is actually a very simple message. Christ sent you an invitation, and you argue that if you accept it, then it invalidates something. It doesn't.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
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Old 06-01-2018, 06:56 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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The message of Christ may seem irrational and illogical to you, but it is actually a very simple message. Christ sent you an invitation, and you argue that if you accept it, then it invalidates something. It doesn't.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
It is madness to me that people that believe everyone gets eternal life (some to bliss; some to suffering) keep quoting that scripture.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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It is madness to me that people that believe everyone gets eternal life (some to bliss; some to suffering) keep quoting that scripture.
It may be madness to you, but not to those who understand the difference between eternal life, and second death.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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It may be madness to you, but not to those who understand the difference between eternal life, and second death.
Where have I heard that before?
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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Where have I heard that before?
The Bible?
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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The Bible?
The Watchtower.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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It is madness to me that people that believe everyone gets eternal life (some to bliss; some to suffering) keep quoting that scripture.
Eternal life doesn't refer to mere unending physical existence, but to unending life in relationship with God. The Bible says that everyone will be resurrected. Some to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt (Daniel 12:2). A New Testament parallel is John 5:28-29.

The Bible doesn't teach Annihilation because as Revelation 19:20-20:10 shows, the beast and the false prophet are still alive after having spent 1000 years in the lake of fire and it is said of them, as well as of Satan, that they will be tormented forever and ever. And again, that's after the beast and the false prophet have already been there for a thousand years. Whether or not a person believes that to be true, it is what the text says.

So the Biblical teaching is that everyone will be resurrected. Some to eternal life, but others to unending physical existence separated from God.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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Eternal life doesn't refer to mere unending physical existence, but to unending life in relationship with God. The Bible says that everyone will be resurrected. Some to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt (Daniel 12:2). A New Testament parallel is John 5:28-29.

The Bible doesn't teach Annihilation because as Revelation 19:20-20:10 shows, the beast and the false prophet are still alive after having spent 1000 years in the lake of fire and it is said of them, as well as of Satan, that they will be tormented forever and ever. And again, that's after the beast and the false prophet have already been there for a thousand years. Whether or not a person believes that to be true, it is what the text says.

So the Biblical teaching is that everyone will be resurrected. Some to eternal life, but others to unending physical existence separated from God.
To you Dan12:2 looks like it explains further the scripture in John 3;16. To me it looks like an inconsistency. At least that further helps me understand the rational behind your beliefs.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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To you Dan12:2 looks like it explains further the scripture in John 3;16. To me it looks like an inconsistency. At least that further helps me understand the rational behind your beliefs.
How is that inconsistent?
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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How is that inconsistent?
Because John 3 16 says the everlasting life is what people who believe in Jesus will get. It says the opposite of that is perish? What does perish mean to you?
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