1 Corinthians 15:1-8 - The Gospel That Saves (Wicca, grave, mention)
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I'm not getting what your point is here Jimmie. Since you believe then sin isn't a big deal, at least not for you. If I've been understanding correctly, isn't it your position that EVERYONE"S sin is covered; it's just that not everyone realizes that to the extent that they are able to use Grace to free themselves from sin? Aren't unbelievers still under condemnation only from themselves if they don't use it? It seems like sin isn't a big deal unless we make it so. Or am I way off?
Wow, that’s a lot of assumptions.
Let me explain what I believe. God hates sin, but loves sinners even more. Jesus’ blood covers our sins, redeeming us, if we believe/trust Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Let me explain what I believe. God hates sin, but loves sinners even more. Jesus’ blood covers our sins, redeeming us, if we believe/trust Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
A couple of assumptions. That's why I repeated back to you in my words what I understand you to say so I know if I got it correct. So you don't believe Jesus' sacrifice covers people unless the believe first? So, as an atheist, I am not covered. Maybe so but I didn't realize I was being excluded so it worked anyway.
If you are covered then why do you keep pointing it out sin? Shouldn't it be a done deal?
A couple of assumptions. That's why I repeated back to you in my words what I understand you to say so I know if I got it correct. So you don't believe Jesus' sacrifice covers people unless the believe first? So, as an atheist, I am not covered. Maybe so but I didn't realize I was being excluded so it worked anyway.
If you are covered then why do you keep pointing it out sin? Shouldn't it be a done deal?
That is correct (bolded above), per John 3.
I answered your last questions already, here in post #36:
jimmie and all the other fundies are going to be SO surprised!
Amen! That is what makes all the debate silly. It will really make little difference. The only potential glitch will be the need to reap whatever they might self-righteously sow in unlove trying to save others from Hell.
Sin is a big deal, but God’s grace covers it all, when we believe.
Ephesians 2
Made Alive in Christ
2 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Amen! That is what makes all the debate silly. It will really make little difference. The only potential glitch will be the need to reap whatever they might self-righteously sow in unlove trying to save others from Hell.
If everyone believed what you believe, there would be no point for anyone to even mention Jesus, and/or what He did. Everyone is saved, so we can just live out our lives and then go to heaven. No need to bring it up.
However, Jesus wants us to preach it, because everyone is not automatically saved.
Let me explain what I believe. God hates sin, but loves sinners even more. Jesus’ blood covers our sins, redeeming us, if we believe/trust Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Let me explain what I believe. God not only hates sin, His purpose is to obliterate every last digit of sin in every life. In short, He intends in His great plan to not just "account" men righteous, but "make" mankind righteous.
"He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world."
"When he served as a sacrifice for our sins, he solved the sin problem for good - not only ours, but the whole world's."
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That is what makes all the debate silly. It will really make little difference. The only potential glitch will be the need to reap whatever they might self-righteously sow in unlove trying to save others from Hell.
