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Everyone who I've been dealing with has used verses from the Bible to give credence to their view - how is that NOT relying on the Bible?
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It is not necessary like i told you when i first jumped in on this thread.When you learn to feel from within, that is your guide, but you have to lose all your bias to trust that feeling, especially when it comes to things spiritual, otherwise like i said you will use your biases and predjudices to determine what you believe is right,just like you do in your exegesis. As much as you think you have proven you don't, the universalists and others on this thread have proved otherwise.
Simple, I have accomplished giving them a proper understanding of the facts. Facts/truth gives people a better starting point at which to make their decisions rather than falsehoods/misunderstandings/error. Don't you agree?
What is one man's treasure is another man's garbage. And you cannot speak for all the people, cultures and times.
I just told you how I took his post (and I've known camps a LONG time here, so I think I usually read him pretty accurately). That's what I agreed with. If he meant something different, I'll let him explain.
Ok, fair enough, I know misunderstandings happen. No biggie!
Highlighting that part of your response seems really clear though.
06-10-2018, 12:55 PM
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What is one man's treasure is another man's garbage. And you cannot speak for all the people, cultures and times.
I don't try to. You should take your own advice! It's good!
06-10-2018, 12:58 PM
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It is not necessary like i told you when i first jumped in on this thread.When you learn to feel from within, that is your guide, but you have to lose all your bias to trust that feeling, especially when it comes to things spiritual, otherwise like i said you will use your biases and predjudices to determine what you believe is right,just like you do in your exegesis. As much as you think you have proven you don't, the universalists and others on this thread have proved otherwise.
I'll use my spidy-sense to deny that! Thanks! Loosing all of one biases and prejudices is a fools errand -the best we can do is to employ methodologies that help reduce them or keep them in check. You methodology is fraught with error.
It is not necessary like i told you when i first jumped in on this thread.When you learn to feel from within, that is your guide, but you have to lose all your bias to trust that feeling, especially when it comes to things spiritual, otherwise like i said you will use your biases and predjudices to determine what you believe is right,just like you do in your exegesis. As much as you think you have proven you don't, the universalists and others on this thread have proved otherwise.
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I'll use my spidy-sense to deny that! Thanks! Loosing all of one biases and prejudices is a fools errand -the best we can do is to employ methodologies that help reduce them or keep them in check. You methodology is fraught with error.
Shiloh, in a spiritual sense (however you, as an atheist, want to define spiritual), what have you taken away from being convinced that Paul was an ETer or annihilationist that has been beneficial to you?
The starting point is not about getting Universalists to believe that God is angry for real but to understand that this is what the Bible is teaching.
Well! There you are; I was thinking about you and your twin, and trying to find you. Rose will be back to find more about Abba "being angry for real". For now though, lets mention again what the apostle Paul declares so clearly>>>>>>>>
"The whole of created life shall be delivered."
That, my potential friend, Rose knows does not stir you (yet), but it makes me get up every single day with a great HOPE in the Living One!
The starting point is not about getting Universalists to believe that God is angry for real but to understand that this is what the Bible is teaching. Thus, if I accomplished getting you to see that FACT, something you stated in your question, what would that do for your Universalist beliefs or your reliance on the Bible - you could not rely on it anymore to back up those beliefs. That is one step closer to understanding the facts regarding the Bible and since facts/truth matter that is a good thing to base your decisions and life on. It would also show you that your believes are not grounded in a book but your own subjective sense of what you want to believe abut God. And that is a good and humbling starting point to live your life - Again, don't you agree facts matter?
And that did not answer what all these questions have to do with the OP.
Shiloh, if God was mad and angry, he needs to get saved himself, because i know many who are not mad and angry at the world, including myself. Also Jesus was the exact imprint of the feelings of God, show me where Jesus lost it other than with the fundies of his day.
06-10-2018, 01:32 PM
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Shiloh, in a spiritual sense (however you, as an atheist, want to define spiritual), what have you taken away from being convinced that Paul was an ETer or annihilationist that has been beneficial to you?
That humans try very hard to understand the world around them and objectify their subjective sense of things when such evidence is lacking. This leads me to a higher standard for what would constitute evidence for such extraordinary claims such as Paul's or yours. As such skepticism is a good place to start, even with your own views, and seek to withhold absolute claims about such extraordinary claim as truth until such evidence suggests otherwise. It has lead me to a methodological approach to life that I feel reduces a lot of the problems between people with such claims -which seem to be religious in nature most of the time.
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