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God is sovereign over all his Creation. People just like to think they have a choice. That is why grace is a stumbling stone, because it is hard for humans to receive it without boasting in themselves.
People do have a choice but that choice is exercised in the Framework that God controls/provides. If man didn't have choice, he couldn't be held accountable. But God does hold man accountable but holds Himself Responsible.
Man's choice - man held accountable
Man's depravity - God is Responsible
So God is justified in correcting man for his willful choices to sin. In fact that correction is part of his responsibility. He will eventually chastise and correct everyone.
Romans 9 is a good chapter for those to study that dispute this.
God is the author and finisher of Salvation. That means He provides the repentance, He provides the Faith, He provides the Grace, and He provides the salvation.
All of the above is fact proven from scriptures. Does anyone dispute this?
man can not demand forgiveness like those on this site would suggest they have a right to do.. .
so yes what you say is true.. True but men are rebellious . and God provided his responsibilities first by sending Jesus adn then sending the spirit to meet the needs of the repentant/ not the demanding .. and men have choices to make. No they never loved him or his word nor do they understand him old or new testament, but still are only demanding that he do for them.
but God still has free will!
no matter what they demand of him he is still free .
*he is God not them!
he will discern the hearts of all men.
there is no reason for him to discern the hearts of men if he forgives everyone who demands it!
demanding forgiveness isn't repentance folks!
we have to come to him as a child and in repentance.
Not demanding forgiveness , and thinking you have a right to it.
no one does !
we ask .. we humble ourselves and ask for forgiveness. that is what you do before a king and any one you respect , much less someone you are commanded to Love , to LOVE first !
man can not demand forgiveness like those on this site would suggest they have a right to do.. .
so yes what you say is true.. True but men are rebellious . and God provided his responsibilities first by sending Jesus adn then sending the spirit to meet the needs of the repentant/ not the demanding .. and men have choices to make. No they never loved him or his word nor do they understand him old or new testament, but still are only demanding that he do for them.
but God still has free will!
no matter what they demand of him he is still free .
*he is God not them!
he will discern the hearts of all men.
there is no reason for him to discern the hearts of men if he forgives everyone who demands it!
demanding forgiveness isn't repentance folks!
we have to come to him as a child and in repentance.
Not demanding forgiveness , and thinking you have a right to it.
no one does !
we ask .. we humble ourselves and ask for forgiveness. that is what you do before a king and any one you respect , much less someone you are commanded to Love , to LOVE first !
Is the heart that "ask for forgiveness" from man or God?
the Lord is building his temple with humans.. The Lord's his spirit will dwell in man. in a marriage covenant it is
all give all.. he already gave all then spent 2000 more years giving even more...
he ain't in it for date.. he don't want any one night stands! not one night stands amdn those who demanding he pay the bill either..
He is it for marraige/ bonding / covenants/ or just nutin honey.
what they won't do is demand he pay their bills when they at most just want " to be friends"...just because they aren't in it for anything but what they can get not what they can give..
if they can't figure it out let them keep playing the seek and find game, but they better be using his Word , not their FEELINGs!
Is the heart that "ask for forgiveness" from man or God?
Is "asking for forgiveness" from man or God?
self preservation can ask ..
remember this verse..
2Co 7:9
Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing.
2Co 7:10
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
2Co 7:11
For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
there is sorrow for getting caught, it leads to death..
then there is sorrow that leads us to repentance..
this society does not know what Godly sorrow that leads us to repentance even means.
they will only be sorry they got caught in their sins. self preservation will fake a sorrow to get what it is demanding . amd the demand is how you know what your motive is , they will be demanding He forgive them.
if your wife cheated on you and then came and told you must forgive her/ or him .. she/he/it would get a boot in their fanny and rightfully so.
you can not demand forgiveness from anyone ever, human or God , under any circumstances.!
forgiveness is a gift and in God it is a gift He offers to first the humble and then the repentant.. not the demanding.
and "to Love God first" is a command(ment) that demands that you not demand !
self preservation can ask ..
remember this verse..
2Co 7:9
Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing.
2Co 7:10
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
2Co 7:11
For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
there is sorrow for getting caught, it leads to death..
then there is sorrow that leads us to repentance..
this society does not know what Godly sorrow that leads us to repentance even means.
they will only be sorry they got caught in their sins. self preservation will fake a sorrow to get what it is demanding . amd the demand is how you know what your motive is , they will be demanding He forgive them.
if your wife cheated on you and then came and told you must forgive her/ or him .. she/he/it would get a boot in their fanny and rightfully so.
you can not demand forgiveness from anyone ever, human or God , under any circumstances.!
forgiveness is a gift and in God it is a gift He offers to first the humble and then the repentant.. not the demanding.
and "to Love God first" is a command(ment) that demands that you not demand !
Forgiveness is the acknowledgement of the truth, it never condemns.
wrong.. you made up your own definitions then by your definitions you have the right to demand God meet your demands..
breaking the very first of only two comandments.
that is not what forgiveness is ! Now that is what you all hope it is..
that is the definition of repentance..
first true repentance has no demands in it!
especially when you refuse to believe in your need to repent / but as repentance ( as your definition of forgiveness ) that now you make God repent / forgive ..
dang
how slippery of you ! now that is downright slimmy of you all !
I hope you realize just where that lie you all are believing comes from and where it has it roots?
you think you are going to make God repent and that you don't have to and have no need too ? really?
who's your daddy... well you are proving who your daddy is and where your kingdom is from ..
God is sovereign over all his Creation. People just like to think they have a choice. That is why grace is a stumbling stone, because it is hard for humans to receive it without boasting in themselves.
You're so full of it. I've never said "scripture" is "full of errors". Could most modern English translations be in error?
Same diff, or do you have a version of the scriptures which has no errors (in your opinion)? You opened the thread about it, so maybe you'll need to learn to own your words. Nothing easier than pushing an alternate view and insisting every Bible verse which disagrees with your opinion is an error, or translation error.
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God is sovereign over all his Creation. People just like to think they have a choice. That is why grace is a stumbling stone, because it is hard for humans to receive it without boasting in themselves.
