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Old 02-11-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Ken Ham is not a reliable source for anything scientific. That includes all of his web sites, and refers to all fields of science, including biology, geology, and anthropology. Creation.org is an equally unreliable source.

An ad hominem? Very compelling!


Meanwhile, you still have to contend with the very real holes in Darwinian theory.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgSvNiSjkU

 
Old 02-11-2019, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Amen. Jesus also warned of hell more than anyone else in the Bible. He even said it would be worth cutting off body parts if that drastic measure keeps you out of hell.
I think he was trying to make his point by using humor when he said those things, Jeff. Don't you?
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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An ad hominem? Very compelling!


Meanwhile, you still have to contend with the very real holes in Darwinian theory.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgSvNiSjkU
I'm very glad you've vowed not to reproduce.
 
Old 02-11-2019, 08:57 PM
 
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God is Love, but is God is also just. The entire purpose all along was so that God could save us from ultimate peril. There's no possible love greater than that. It wouldn't be true if there were no ultimate peril, would it? No, of course not.

The thing you must always understand about God is that He is love.

All sins committed are against an eternal God, so they carry an eternal punishment. But our salvation is through grace alone, for anyone who accepts God's gracious gift. Christ died a very real and agonizing death in public on the Cross so that a true price would be paid for our sins.

God's own sacrifice was so that we could reap the eternal rewards, and be eternal recipients of His Love and kindness! As we were chosen to be His children before we were even born into this world, we did nothing to earn or deserve it. It is a matter of grace and profound Love.

But the ultimate peril (hell) is a just punishment. It may seen like a very extreme one. But, on the flip side, given that our salvation is a free gift of God in Love, it makes possible the very real fact that He will have given His children a truly gracious gift that is eternal! And because the punishment itself is just (as is the gift), even if eternal--the moral value of this equation is easy to ascertain even if we stretch it out ad infinitum.

Because God has purchased His children with His very Holy Blood, there is not a single thing any of us could do to override His will. If you were chosen as His child, God will have you!
Hey, you were reclaimed last month per your status? I'd be interested in that story if you feel like sharing it. (probably on it's own thread)
 
Old 02-12-2019, 04:24 AM
 
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Hold water? Our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus walks on that stuff! He will move heaven and earth just for us. Why? Because He is the Almighty God and He literally loves us to death! That's why Christ died an agonizing and humiliating death on the cross. It is so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish!

God has already bought and paid for all His children. As we are His prized possessions, His property, He WILL have us. You cannot defy God's will!
You e been indoctrinated well
 
Old 02-12-2019, 04:36 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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An ad hominem? Very compelling!


Meanwhile, you still have to contend with the very real holes in Darwinian theory.


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I have no idea what Darwin has to do with Noah, but here are many threads about Noah on these forums. You are welcome to go search for some of them and see if you can contribute anything.

Ken Ham is not a scientist and has been thoroughly destroyed every time he tried debate a scientist.

Incidentally, there is no reliable scientific evidence that the earth was ever covered with water, there isn't enough water on earth to do that, there is no way to get pairs of over 400,000 species of animals onto one boat, there is no way to gather the animals from the distant regions of the earth, it is impossible to store enough food to feed any large quantity of animals for a year on a boat, and there would be no food available after such a flood because all the vegetation would be dead. Also, the Pyramids of Egypt are older than the story of Noah, but show no evidence that they were ever flooded.

Go find the threads and see if you an add anything better than the previous suggestion that the koalas were fed freeze-dried eucalyptus leaves.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:26 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I have no idea what Darwin has to do with Noah, but here are many threads about Noah on these forums. You are welcome to go search for some of them and see if you can contribute anything.

Ken Ham is not a scientist and has been thoroughly destroyed every time he tried debate a scientist.

Incidentally, there is no reliable scientific evidence that the earth was ever covered with water, there isn't enough water on earth to do that, there is no way to get pairs of over 400,000 species of animals onto one boat, there is no way to gather the animals from the distant regions of the earth, it is impossible to store enough food to feed any large quantity of animals for a year on a boat, and there would be no food available after such a flood because all the vegetation would be dead. Also, the Pyramids of Egypt are older than the story of Noah, but show no evidence that they were ever flooded.

Go find the threads and see if you an add anything better than the previous suggestion that the koalas were fed freeze-dried eucalyptus leaves.
Egyptian civilization commenced circa 3100 BC according to its own chronology. However, we can approximate the time of the Flood at around 2300 BC according to Ham & Hodge. That's not necessarily definitive, as different Biblical scholars have arrived at different dates--the most frequently cited age of the earth being approximately 6000 years.

The reckoning of prehistorical dates with regard to the beginning of civilization will naturally vary by culture. Tales of what was once direct experience turn to myth and legend over time. Nuances disappear. We should certainly not expect precision. However, there's still a remarkable amount of agreement even among disparate civilizations! It's all the same order of magnitude - history stretches back only several thousand years. Anglo-Saxon reckoning dated the beginning of the earth at around 7200 BC. Irish chronology went back to 4000 BC. The Mayans dated Noah's Flood to 3113 BC.

Indeed, evolutionary theory is poorly equipped to explain the seemingly simultaneous emergence (relatively speaking...) of human civilization in disparate places like Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, and Mesoamerica.


(All facts taken from "A Flood of Evidence," by Ken Ham & Bodie Hodge)

Contemporarily, the notion of a "species" is somewhat arbitrarily defined. We should know that God established boundaries that prevent interspecific reproduction. The phenotypes within a species can vary dramatically, and can change form quite rapidly. Dogs are a very good example of this! But no one has ever made a dog into anything other than a dog.


No evidence of megaflooding? How do you explain 300-500 disparate cultures having flood legends? How do you explain the continual uncovering of evidence for megaflooding?

This is good,


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36966274


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Geologists have found evidence for an ancient megaflood which they say is a good match for the mythical deluge at the dawn of China's first dynasty.
Amazing discovery! Here's a hint for geologists who want to know more: read the Bible!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpKTW_SvI9A


Revere God, but do not fear Him. He loves His children. And today may just be YOUR day to realize you're adopted and will be given the free gift of eternal life! Accept Jesus with all your heart. Believe that His amazing sacrifice fully absolves you of sin!

Don't be afraid of the truth. Confront it, and you will find redemption staring right back at you!
 
Old 02-12-2019, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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...snipped the nonsense...

Don't be afraid of the truth. Confront it, and you will find redemption staring right back at you!
Take your own advice. Start by reading a 10th grade science text. Give yourself a chance to stop being just another fundie laughingstock.
 
Old 02-12-2019, 09:02 AM
 
Location: The Eastern Shore
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snj90 has been "born again" since December 28th, and thinks he already has all the answers to life and God after reading "many Christian books" lol. Can't make this stuff up!
 
Old 02-12-2019, 09:30 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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(All facts taken from "A Flood of Evidence," by Ken Ham & Bodie Hodge)

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That is nothing but an oxymoron; using the word "facts" and the name Ken Ham in the same sentence.

The topic of this thread is "ALL Sexual Immorality INCLUDING Homosexuality is a SIN..accept it, get over it and REPENT! " so I won't be responding to any more Ken Ham nonsense, but will instead suggest you pick one of these threads and go post in it:

Noah' Ark, The Mystery

Were there two penguins on Noah's ark?

Getting thousands of wild animals into a wooden houseboat

The other great flood. (the one that actually happened)

Ark Encounter Creates Hotel Boom

Ever wonder what was the purpose of the flood if mankind would just go back to the way it was before the flood?

Believers in Noah's Ark by country

Question About Noah's ARk

Noah’s Ark...

Ark Encounter visits down, once again.

Where did the idea of Noah preaching to the people about the flooding come from?...

The Myth that Genesis is Myth

4990BC: The Great Flood,. II Peter chapter 3 verse 7, By fire?

Novel suggestion on Noah and the Flood

Not just eight people were saved from the global flood of Noach...


This will show a lot about Ken Ham:

Ken Ham .vs. Bill Nye
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