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Old 02-10-2019, 06:45 PM
 
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We are not to look to the animal kingdom on matters of right and wrong. We are to look to God. Animals are not created in the Image of God. But we, as men, have been granted by God dominion over the earth. Because we have this dominion, it follows that when we fall, the animals do as well.

The consequences of sin are death. That's why all things die - not just people. Animals, too. God drowned all animal life in the Flood, except for the animals he gave to Noah to save. Why would God to this? Quite plainly, the animals, too, were wicked in His eyes.

This is the consequence of human sin. Many animals became carnivores because of this (not in accordance with God's ideals, as per Genesis 1:30, but because of sin).

But God still offered redemption to some of the animals, as well. How fortunate we are to be living in our present Age of Grace!
Are you sure there was a global flood? There is evidence that points that there was not so there is disagreement about that even among Bible . There is also evidence that the story of Noah was lifted from previous stories such as Gilgamesh but I'm sure you know that. If there was no global flood then there are no lessons to be gleaned from it. In fact, trying to force a lesson into it could come up with some pretty twisted reasoning.

 
Old 02-10-2019, 06:46 PM
 
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There is no such thing as sensual morality
 
Old 02-10-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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Did God modify the jaws and teeth of those that became carnivores or did he create some with that capacity while he created others to eat plants? It seems to me he put those with carnivore jaws at a huge disadvantage during their herbivore phase if so. If he modified them after the fact then that would make him complicit in whatever destruction they visited upon other animals by giving them extra ordinary means of killing.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 07:02 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Are you sure there was a global flood? There is evidence that points that there was not so there is disagreement about that even among Bible . There is also evidence that the story of Noah was lifted from previous stories such as Gilgamesh but I'm sure you know that. If there was no global flood then there are no lessons to be gleaned from it. In fact, trying to force a lesson into it could come up with some pretty twisted reasoning.
Yes, of course, there was a global flood, and there's a flood of evidence. The Sumerians aren't the only culture who had a flood legend. In fact, we are finding flood legends in cultures all over the world. Over 300, in fact, (maybe up to 500) many of which are in arid climates! Cultures as disparate as the Aztecs, Tanzanians, Chinese, Hawaiians, and Australian Aboriginals--to name just a few. And, get this, Noah's name is even cognate is many languages! Nol in the Pacific Island culture of the Loyalty Islands. Nu'u in Hawaiian. Nuah in Maio (Chinese). Noeh in Ireland. Nama in Central Asia.

I just don't get it when some people say they believe in God, but then they misplace their faith in science. Science is totally fallible! It's constantly turned on its head!

(Source: A Flood of Evidence: 40 Reasons Noah and His Ark Still Matter by Kem Ham and Bodie Hodge)
 
Old 02-10-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Yes, of course, there was a global flood, and there's a flood of evidence. The Sumerians aren't the only culture who had a flood legend. In fact, we are finding flood legends in cultures all over the world. Over 300, in fact, (maybe up to 500) many of which are in arid climates! Cultures as disparate as the Aztecs, Tanzanians, Chinese, Hawaiians, and Australian Aboriginals--to name just a few. And, get this, Noah's name is even cognate is many languages! Nol in the Pacific Island culture of the Loyalty Islands. Nu'u in Hawaiian. Nuah in Mai (Chinese). Noeh in Ireland. Nama in Central Asia.

I just don't get it when some people say they believe in God, but then they misplace their faith in science. Science is totally fallible! It's constantly turned on its head!

(Source: A Flood of Evidence: 40 Reasons Noah and His Ark Still Matter by Kem Ham and Bodie Hodge)
I find your reasoning does not hold water.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0416104320.htm
 
Old 02-10-2019, 07:27 PM
 
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Hold water? Our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus walks on that stuff! He will move heaven and earth just for us. Why? Because He is the Almighty God and He literally loves us to death! That's why Christ died an agonizing and humiliating death on the cross. It is so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish!

God has already bought and paid for all His children. As we are His prized possessions, His property, He WILL have us. You cannot defy God's will!
 
Old 02-10-2019, 08:05 PM
 
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Hold water? Our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus walks on that stuff! He will move heaven and earth just for us. Why? Because He is the Almighty God and He literally loves us to death! That's why Christ died an agonizing and humiliating death on the cross. It is so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish!

God has already bought and paid for all His children. As we are His prized possessions, His property, He WILL have us. You cannot defy God's will!
I'm all for that. I wish people would stop putting their own conditions on it though. It seems like a lot of whose did it better going on.

Edit: I noticed you comment you wanted to prove your worthiness. I don't know why you think that is necessary. Do you think Grace is only for those worthy of it? I mean, I can see wanting to show appreciation by loving as you have been loved and forgiving as you have been forgiven, but worthy?
 
Old 02-10-2019, 08:18 PM
 
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Hold water? Our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus walks on that stuff! He will move heaven and earth just for us. Why? Because He is the Almighty God and He literally loves us to death! That's why Christ died an agonizing and humiliating death on the cross. It is so that anyone who believes in Him will not perish!

God has already bought and paid for all His children. As we are His prized possessions, His property, He WILL have us. You cannot defy God's will!
Question: Why did God (presumably the father of Jesus) condemn to death pretty much all of his creations only to change his mind later and revoke the position of 'the wages of sin is death' by subjecting his son, Jesus, to take the punishment for our simply being human by having Him crucified? Why didn't God simply forgive everyone for being an inferior human being without all of the drama and bloodlust? If we apply logic to this kind of reasoning it doesn't make a lick of sense. But then, to many Christians their particular Bible message doesn't have to make sense, does it?
 
Old 02-10-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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What religious freedoms do you feel have been taken away from Christian business owners?
Freedom to stay away from immoral wedding ceremonies.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 08:40 PM
 
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And where do you get your data? Who says everyone was designed to be straight? There is much homosexual activity in the animal kingdom. They certainly can't make that choice. It's because they are who they are. Period.
Animals also eat their young. They do not have a soul so morality is not a factor in the animal kingdom.

Human beings are not animals.
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