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Old 08-14-2019, 12:20 PM
 
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Because that was the mindset of the men in that time and place who wrote those words. They had a set of rules and laws that they were to follow, many of which were nonsensical and hurt no one, and breaking them was considered "sin".

Easy-peasy.
There are far too many who will simply not accept this truth, MQ.
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Old 08-14-2019, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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What many of you fail to understand is that yes, even a baby is born sinful and condemned because of unbelief. The baby is born breaking the first commandment. Not until the baby, or as a child, or as an adult, is converted, is the person forgiven of all its sin, and given faith to believe. So the person is then righteous by faith.

The baby can be saved by the sacrament of baptism, which commanded for all.
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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What many of you fail to understand is that yes, even a baby is born sinful and condemned because of unbelief. The baby is born breaking the first commandment. Not until the baby, or as a child, or as an adult, is converted, is the person forgiven of all its sin, and given faith to believe. So the person is then righteous by faith.

The baby can be saved by the sacrament of baptism, which commanded for all.
THIS is what "Reformed Theology" does to you
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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What many of you fail to understand is that yes, even a baby is born sinful and condemned because of unbelief. The baby is born breaking the first commandment. Not until the baby, or as a child, or as an adult, is converted, is the person forgiven of all its sin, and given faith to believe. So the person is then righteous by faith.

The baby can be saved by the sacrament of baptism, which commanded for all.
Ridiculous and dumb and wrong.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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You may not like it, but this is what the Bible teaches. And I'm not Reformed.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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What many of you fail to understand is that yes, even a baby is born sinful and condemned because of unbelief. The baby is born breaking the first commandment. Not until the baby, or as a child, or as an adult, is converted, is the person forgiven of all its sin, and given faith to believe. So the person is then righteous by faith.

The baby can be saved by the sacrament of baptism, which commanded for all.
A baby is condemned because of unbelief is insanity, absolutely the stupidest thing anyone has ever said, written or spoken. And the idea that they are breaking a commandment? Where the hell do you come up with this garbage?

Please, take out your trash.

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Old 08-17-2019, 11:34 PM
 
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What many of you fail to understand is that yes, even a baby is born sinful and condemned because of unbelief. The baby is born breaking the first commandment. Not until the baby, or as a child, or as an adult, is converted, is the person forgiven of all its sin, and given faith to believe. So the person is then righteous by faith.

The baby can be saved by the sacrament of baptism, which commanded for all.
A baby is not born breaking any commandments. A baby is not full of sin, not having sinned. It has a capacity to sin later but it is not condemned when a baby. Moreover, young children are covered with love and mercy. 1COR 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean, but now they are they, Holy." And that without any sacrament. They just are by God's declaration, not by adding another symbolic ritual to what God has already said. Nevertheless, all children are innocent, not that they do no wrong but by reason of His love and mercy until they come to the age of accountability, to when they are able to understand fully right from wrong and choose wrong. That age is probably different for each but each has the ability to come to Jesus. LK 18:16 "Suffer little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the Kingdom of God."
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Old 08-18-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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A baby is not born breaking any commandments. A baby is not full of sin, not having sinned. It has a capacity to sin later but it is not condemned when a baby. Moreover, young children are covered with love and mercy. 1COR 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean, but now they are they, Holy." And that without any sacrament. They just are by God's declaration, not by adding another symbolic ritual to what God has already said. Nevertheless, all children are innocent, not that they do no wrong but by reason of His love and mercy until they come to the age of accountability, to when they are able to understand fully right from wrong and choose wrong. That age is probably different for each but each has the ability to come to Jesus. LK 18:16 "Suffer little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the Kingdom of God."
So your actually better off dying before the age of accountability hits.
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Old 08-18-2019, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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You may not like it, but this is what the Bible teaches.
I'm sure you are not realizing that that belief and statement alone have the sweeping power to
influence millions to never read the Bible again;
And to disregard those that would believe such a thing... in other words, never hold anything
they say with any respect...also, make them wonder, "Then, what did Jesus do?"

Added: This again is what people say that have never known God, only read things...then have
so many ideas.
My wish for those people is that they meet God one day and finally see
the stories of the Bible can not be all true.

Zero 7, that's right, die before 7 yrs old.

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Old 08-18-2019, 07:29 AM
 
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What many of you fail to understand is that yes, even a baby is born sinful and condemned because of unbelief. The baby is born breaking the first commandment. Not until the baby, or as a child, or as an adult, is converted, is the person forgiven of all its sin, and given faith to believe. So the person is then righteous by faith.

The baby can be saved by the sacrament of baptism, which commanded for all.
No, I don't think many fail to understand that certain sects of Christianity believe this. It's called the doctrine of Original Sin. As you are aware, not all Christians buy into that, and of course, non-Christians like the OP don't think that way at all.

I don't think anyone fails to understand that this idea exists, however. It's not new information.
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