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Stop quoting bible verses at me as if it is approval of what you believe. How about expounding on them. I can go toe to toe with you all night if you want a bible quoting game.
What the verses in question mean is that you are not going to enter into heaven by believing what is popular. Going in through the way that many enter will bring you to destruction.
To enter into life you must find the way; and there are few who find it and there are few who enter in that way; for the way to life is not a popular road.
Wrong, absolutely wrong. Your bible tells us the consequences of sin and more importantly where they come from
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting Galatians 6:8, your beloved KJV translation
Corruption is the consequence of sowing to the flesh and that corruption does NOT come from God, it comes from the flesh. It is right there in your bible and you don't believe it.
I do believe it; however I do not believe that the reality that you have spoken of contradicts or nullifies the reality that I have spoken of.
Corruption takes place in this life; being cast into the furnace of fire takes place in the next.
I do believe it; however I do not believe that the reality that you have spoken of contradicts or nullifies the reality that I have spoken of.
Corruption takes place in this life; being cast into the furnace of fire takes place in the next.
Like I have already told you, that is a primitive belief you have like many unbelievers brought into the christian faith. Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ, the one who did that many wonderful things for mankind that all the books in the world could not contain what he did for it, would cast folk into a furnace of fire, believes in the wrong Jesus. How could he who is called wonderful, counsellor, prince of peace do something such horrific that it would make Hitler look like an angel ?
Like I have already told you, that is a primitive belief you have like many unbelievers brought into the christian faith. Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ, the one who did that many wonderful things for mankind that all the books in the world could not contain what he did for it, would cast folk into a furnace of fire, believes in the wrong Jesus. How could he who is called wonderful, counsellor, prince of peace do something such horrific that it would make Hitler look like an angel ?
Jesus said that workers of iniquity shall be cast into a furnace of fire where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).
Since He has personally warned you in holy scripture, I don't believe that you will have any excuse on your day of judgment or any basis for complaint if or when he casts you into the furnace of fire for your iniquity.
Jesus said that workers of iniquity shall be cast into a furnace of fire where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).
Since He has personally warned you in holy scripture, I don't believe that you will have any excuse on your day of judgment or any basis for complaint if or when he casts you into the furnace of fire for your iniquity.
If you for one minute do not believe you will go through fire (not literal fire) to be made pure you should resign your minister position because you don't know what you are talking about, just like you don't with righteousness and your claim that love judges.
If you for one minute do not believe you will go through fire (not literal fire) to be made pure you should resign your minister position because you don't know what you are talking about, just like you don't with righteousness and your claim that love judges.
There are different fires that people go through.
The fire that is spoken of in Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50 is obviously the judgment of the Lord and is equal to everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41,46).
The fire that refines on the day of judgment (1 Corinthians 3) does not cause the believer to wail and gnash their teeth. The works that they did that were not worthy shall be burned up and they will not be rewarded for them. The passage is not speaking of a refining process in which the believer is made more holy.
Being made more holy is a work of the Holy Spirit called sanctification and I do not believe that there is any pain involved in it.
Like I have already told you, that is a primitive belief you have like many unbelievers brought into the christian faith. Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ, the one who did that many wonderful things for mankind that all the books in the world could not contain what he did for it, would cast folk into a furnace of fire, believes in the wrong Jesus. How could he who is called wonderful, counsellor, prince of peace do something such horrific that it would make Hitler look like an angel ?
I thought JBF was trying to understand why our ancestors were wrong in their belief about a wrathful vengeful God, but he is not. He seems to admire such a God and can't wait for Him to punish all those JBF thinks are completely wicked and evil. I don't know who he knows that is actually completely evil, but he seems to think it is possible.
As long as he thinks what he believes about the Bible and our ancestors' beliefs about God exempts him from any concern about his own wickedness and evil, he will be unreachable. As I frequently point out, you cannot reason with unreasoning credulity.
By all means point out what is the wickedness and evil that you see in me, Mystic.
Of course I am a sinner saved by grace...
But I am not the person any more that I used to be.
When the Holy Ghost decides to pinpoint sin in my life, I am always perfectly willing to be exposed to the light and to confess my sins because He is faithful and just to forgive me of my sins and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness.
He has been sanctifying me for the past 30 years or so; and therefore I am certainly not as "wicked" as I used to be.
But I will say that the only goodness in me is God the Holy Ghost.
For in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing (Romans 7:18, 1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15).
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