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Galatians 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Ephesian 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Ephesians 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit.
Ephesians 6;17-18
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints.
Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and thy were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
Rom. 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Galatians 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk it the Spirit.
Ephesian 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Ephesians 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit.
Ephesians 6;17-18
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints.
Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and thy were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
Rom. 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
This is too much truth, i may have to put you on ignore if you keep it up.
I am speaking of the doctrine that is presently being taught,that all that Jesus said to his disciples following the last supper is to all of the 'believers' here and now, and not just to the disciples that were with Him at the supper. I am speaking of all that is recorded in John14,15,16,and17. I am espacially thinking of what He said about sending another Comforter; the Helper; the Spirit of truth, who would teach them all things, and bring to their minds all things that He had said to them. He said this to the 12, not to us!!!!! The entire discourse is Jesus reminding them of all that they would go through, and all that they were to do, after He was no longer with them.
It is a terrible distortion to 'interpret' it as it is being interpreted by the present religious groups!
Multitudes are being led astray by this new teaching!
All that He said to them came to pass, and the Comforter did teach them all that Jesus promised, and it is now recorded in the Holy Scriptures.
There is a spirit that is leading (or rather..misleading) many people now, but it is not the one that Jesus promised to the Apostles that day.
I beg of you, please reread all that Jesus said in those chapters, and be sure and note who He was speaking to. I care for your eternal souls.... search the scriptures to see if this is the truth!
So Marian, are you saying that the Holy Spirit is not at work today, amongst God's people? He isn't leading, guiding, comforting us now? You do believe that those who are true Christians are indwelt by His Spirit, do you not?
If we are indwelt by His Spirit, how can it be that He isn't working in our lives? Does he just live within us but stay silent and not give us any direction as to what He wants us to do in certain situations? Who is it that gives us comfort when we are going through a difficult or trying time in our lives? My father recently passed away and I can't imagine what I would have done without the Holy Spirit giving me strength and peace throughout these past few weeks.
I'm baffled by this idea that the scriptures you are speaking of were only meant for the 12 disciples.
I'll tell you what's a dangerous doctrine....it's the idea that there are certain parts of the Bible that only apply to those Christians who lived during Jesus' time...or only apply to His 12 disciplies or whatever. What happened to "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work". Paul wrote that to Timothy but does it not also apply to us today?
There aren't any scriptures that were written to Christians in the 21st century, so does that mean that nothing in the Bible would apply to us? I'm really confused by this doctrine Marian. Maybe I have it all wrong but this is the way it's coming across to me as I read some of your posts.
So Marian, are you saying that the Holy Spirit is not at work today, amongst God's people? He isn't leading, guiding, comforting us now? You do believe that those who are true Christians are indwelt by His Spirit, do you not?
If we are indwelt by His Spirit, how can it be that He isn't working in our lives? Does he just live within us but stay silent and not give us any direction as to what He wants us to do in certain situations? Who is it that gives us comfort when we are going through a difficult or trying time in our lives? My father recently passed away and I can't imagine what I would have done without the Holy Spirit giving me strength and peace throughout these past few weeks.
I'm baffled by this idea that the scriptures you are speaking of were only meant for the 12 disciples.
I'll tell you what's a dangerous doctrine....it's the idea that there are certain parts of the Bible that only apply to those Christians who lived during Jesus' time...or only apply to His 12 disciplies or whatever. What happened to "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work". Paul wrote that to Timothy but does it not also apply to us today?
There aren't any scriptures that were written to Christians in the 21st century, so does that mean that nothing in the Bible would apply to us? I'm really confused by this doctrine Marian. Maybe I have it all wrong but this is the way it's coming across to me as I read some of your posts.
I am sorry you are so confused Deb. I have always been taught to notice who is doing the speaking, and who is being spoken to. Almost all that is written in the epistles was written for all Christians, both than and now. But I notice that there are some here who do not even consider the epistles part of the doctrine of Christ!
When Jesus told Judas to do what he had to do quickly , He was talking only to Judas! No one even thinks it pretains to them, so why do they think the things he told the 12 pretains to all? No one thinks the instructions Jesus gave the 12 when he sent them out,(Matt. 10. 5 and following), applies to us( at least I don't think they do), or the instructions He gave the 70 that He sent out ! How about, " carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road." Who believes that was said to all of us??
There is much about the Holy Spirit that does apply to those who have obeyed the gospel, but not the 4 chapters of John. Now, in chapter 17. 20 and 21 He is talking about all those who believe the twelve .
Galatians 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Ephesian 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Ephesians 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit.
Ephesians 6;17-18
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints.
Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and thy were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
Rom. 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Hmmmm, these sound familiar. I think they are all on the Holy Spirit thread....
Too bad it has disappeared from the front page, and was never commented on.
Marian, I need to apologize to you. I've been posting in anger and not love. I am very sorry.
Believers should not make each other doubt their own salvation.
I understand your hesitation, sister, but I need you to reread your response to Deb in VA. You said you have been taught. Did you mean you were taught to do that by a human? They aren't infallible. Would Christ have taught that to you? Do you think maybe sometimes we squash the Holy Spirit inside of us because of fears someone has taught us?
Meet me halfway here. We can both learn some good from this.
I love the Lord, Marian. So much that I ache. He would never lead me wrong. I know this. I know you know He would never lead you wrong. But...do you really trust Him? You seem so suspicious of Him.
if I don't follow the bible.. I'm wrong
if I follow the bible.. I'm wrong
damned if you do.. damned if you don't
i might as well go eat worms.
All creatures are good to eat
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I think they are all on the Holy Spirit thread....
