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What makes me want to puke is your double-talk, forked tongue type replies.
According to you God gets His desires in making the wicked for the day of evil but He can't get His desire to have EVERY knee bow to Him
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
And this is carried over into Philippians 2:8-11
"and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."
(Philippians 2:8-11 CLV)
Yet you say God's desire is dependent upon man's puny will!
What makes me want to puke is your double-talk, forked tongue type replies.
"and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."
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Perhaps it is double talk to you because you don't fully understand the gospel?
Was it the desire of God that Adam and Eve rebel? No. Was it God's will that David commit adultery? No. Yet, they did the very thing God did not want. God desires that all people repent but not all do. Clearly, God's will is not always done.
That verse you used does not talk about repentance.
Was it the desire of God that Adam and Eve rebel? No. Was it God's will that David commit adultery? No. Yet, they did the very thing God did not want. God desires that all people repent but not all do. Clearly, God's will is not always done.
We see now through a glass dimly...
It's our view that God uses the actions of man, and turns them to His desired end, right?
We now have two people who believe God will not accomplish his desire ...
Two Christians who admit that they do not believe Isaiah 55:11 ...
Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
We now have two people who believe God will not accomplish his desire ...
Two Christians who admit that they do not believe Isaiah 55:11 ...
Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
A clear violation of:
You shall have no other gods before Me. & You shall not make for yourself an idol.
Because the god they worship is not the true God of the bible.
Originally Posted by Eusebius What makes me want to puke is your double-talk, forked tongue type replies.
"and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."
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Originally Posted by Fundamentalist
Perhaps it is double talk to you because you don't fully understand the gospel?
Actually, I do fully understand the gospel.
It is God will not to murder yet we see that God was forcing people to murder His Son so He could save them from their sins:
For of a truth, in this city were gathered against Thy holy Boy Jesus, Whom Thou dost anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, together with the nations and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Thy hand and Thy counsel designates beforehand to occur.
(Acts 4:27-28 CLV)
It was God's will that no one number Israel. Yet David numbered Israel and the Bible says God made him number Israel.
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
(2 Samuel 24:1 KJV)
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Was it the desire of God that Adam and Eve rebel? No.
It was God's hidden intention that Adam and Eve sin so that the promised Saviour of the world could come and save them from their sins. God didn't have a "plan B". It was always His plan to create humanity, have them sin, have death enter into all mankind and then save them from sin and death (Romans 5:12,18,19).
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Was it God's will that David commit adultery? No. Yet, they did the very thing God did not want. God desires that all people repent but not all do. Clearly, God's will is not always done.
It was God's hidden intention that David commit adultery so the promised Messiah would come through his seed as the promised seed of David.
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That verse [Phil.2:8-11] you used does not talk about repentance.
And for good reason. God is All in all at that point. What do they need to repent of since they are already now saved . . . all mankind saved.
!Actually, I do fully understand the gospel.
It is God will not to murder yet we see that God was forcing people to murder His Son so He could save them from their sins:.................
It was God's hidden intention that David commit adultery so the promised Messiah would come through his seed as the promised seed of David.
"God's intention was for David to commit adultery?"Think about what you are saying? God's intention was for David to sin.....................yet God hates when we sin.
I say again. You don't fully understand scripture or God's nature if you make statements like that.
Last edited by Fundamentalist; 01-21-2010 at 06:49 AM..
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