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Old 01-30-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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Let's continue - what happens to the wicked? what is their ultimate fate?
Either you aren't reading my posts, or you are playing games.
I will repost:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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The wicked are destroyed.
So you believe in annihilation?
 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Let's analyze that. It says that the sin is the works of the devil. Furthermore, it shows that the very PURPOSE that Jesus was manifested was to destroy sin.

See how eternal torment fails? - it preaches that the wicked shall be in eternal rebellion (sin) against God. If that is the case then sin is not destroyed. On the contrary - sin would get a kindgom to have rule over its subjects according to Eternal Torment. This is proof alone that there can be not such thing as eternal torment. The very doctrine works contrary to the very Purpose that Jesus was manifested.



The doctrine clearly states that all ( WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST) escape eternal torment. And all who (REJECT CHRIST), then by their own decision will enter eternal torment. And you don't have to analyze the Scriptures very long, to understand this.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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Either you aren't reading my posts, or you are playing games.
I will repost:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Oh, ok now that I read then it is clear from those scriptures that it doesn't say eternity.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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The doctrine clearly states that all ( WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST) escape eternal torment. And all who (REJECT CHRIST), then by their own decision will enter eternal torment. And you don't have to analyze the Scriptures very long, to understand this.
Where is the CLEAR part that says "ETERNITY"?
 
Old 01-30-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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I didn't say OUR works. I'm saying do you believe works are not required to be performed by us to be saved?
Can you be clear about what you want?

I answered your question already.

What's the difference between "OUR works" and "works to be performed by us"?
 
Old 01-30-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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Oh, ok now that I read then it is clear from those scriptures that it doesn't say eternity.
Second death is complete separation from God. It is spiritual death.
There is no scripture to support that this death is reversed, so therefore, it is eternal.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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Can you be clear about what you want?

I answered your question already.

What's the difference between "OUR works" and "works to be performed by us"?
Because Jesus has the copyright on all GOOD Works.

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds (works):
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
 
Old 01-30-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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Second death is complete separation from God. It is spiritual death.
There is no scripture to support that this death is reversed, so therefore, it is eternal.
So how do you explain that Moses wanted to be blotted out of the book of life if God would not take away the sin of those that sinned against Him.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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So how do you explain that Moses wanted to be blotted out of the book of life if God would not take away the sin of those that sinned against Him.
That event is strictly typological to Christ. They have sinned a great sin. He came not to make apologies, but to make atonement for them, and is a type of the good Shepherd, that lays down his life for the sheep - John 10:11, who was to be cut off from the land of the living for the transgression of my people - Isaiah 53:8, Dan 9:26.
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