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Old 12-18-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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You are thinking of the Noahide Law here, Mike...The Ten are divided into Man's obligation to HaShem and Man's obligation to each other...
No, I am not.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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No, I am not.
Yes, you are...
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:07 PM
 
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Yes, you are...
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'Although the Ten Commandments are laws that were given to the Jews as Codex one of the Mosiac Law, contained in these laws are principles by which the entire human race must live. The last five of the Ten Commandments address man's relationship to man. For instance, at no time in human history for either believer or unbeliever has murder ever been acceptable. Murder is a violation of another persons freedom and right to life. Stealing is a violation of another persons right to own property. In order for a national entity to function properly and for its citizens to pursue their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness there must be laws, standards, and principles by which a society must live. And thus, God gave the Ten Commandments to Israel to protect them. But those same principles apply to everyone of every period in history.'

I think it is pretty clear that I was referring to the Ten Commandents with regard to the fact that the prohibition against murder and stealing, etc... apply to everyone in every age.

The Seven Noahide Laws are a product of Talmudic Judaism based on Talmudic interpretations of certain verses in Genesis. The Talmud also imposes a potential death penalty by decapitation on Gentiles who break any of the Seven Noahide laws (See Sanh. 57a). The Noahide laws are not the topic of this thread.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:17 AM
 
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'Although the Ten Commandments are laws that were given to the Jews as Codex one of the Mosiac Law, contained in these laws are principles by which the entire human race must live. The last five of the Ten Commandments address man's relationship to man. For instance, at no time in human history for either believer or unbeliever has murder ever been acceptable. Murder is a violation of another persons freedom and right to life. Stealing is a violation of another persons right to own property. In order for a national entity to function properly and for its citizens to pursue their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness there must be laws, standards, and principles by which a society must live. And thus, God gave the Ten Commandments to Israel to protect them. But those same principles apply to everyone of every period in history.'

I think it is pretty clear that I was referring to the Ten Commandents with regard to the fact that the prohibition against murder and stealing, etc... apply to everyone in every age.

The Seven Noahide Laws are a product of Talmudic Judaism based on Talmudic interpretations of certain verses in Genesis. The Talmud also imposes a potential death penalty by decapitation on Gentiles who break any of the Seven Noahide laws (See Sanh. 57a). The Noahide laws are not the topic of this thread.
Interesting because here in Acts 15 are these Nohide Laws:

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to put not one greater burden on you than these necessary things:
Act 15:29 To hold back from idol sacrifices, and blood, and that strangled, and from fornication; from which continually keeping yourselves, you will do well. Be prospered.


This was in reference to those who were requiring Gentiles to be circumcized AND obey the Laws of Moses in order to join the congegation...If this was merely Talmudis interpretation, then why would the believing Jew have brought these into the equation?...There must be some biblical weight to these, or they would not have brought them up and agreed to them being good for the Gentile believer...
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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Interesting because here in Acts 15 are these Nohide Laws:

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to put not one greater burden on you than these necessary things:
Act 15:29 To hold back from idol sacrifices, and blood, and that strangled, and from fornication; from which continually keeping yourselves, you will do well. Be prospered.


This was in reference to those who were requiring Gentiles to be circumcized AND obey the Laws of Moses in order to join the congegation...If this was merely Talmudis interpretation, then why would the believing Jew have brought these into the equation?...There must be some biblical weight to these, or they would not have brought them up and agreed to them being good for the Gentile believer...
As I said, the Talmud based its list of the seven Noahide Laws on its interpretation of certain verses in Genesis. The Talmud then takes it upon itself to impose a potential death penalty on a Gentile who breaks any of the seven laws which I list below. Now certainly, the death penalty for murder was instituted in Genesis 9:6, and God established the Noahic Covenant in Genesis 9:8, and human government is established in Genesis chapters 9 and 10. (See the list of the seven Noahic laws below).

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The Talmud (tractate Sanhedrin 56a/b, quoting Tosefta Sanhedrin 9:4) states that the instruction to not eat "flesh with the life" was given to Noah, and that Adam and Eve had already received six other commandments. Adam and Eve were not enjoined from eating from a living animal since they were forbidden to eat any animal. [7] The remaining six are exegetically derived from a seemingly superfluous sentence in Genesis 2:16
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Here is the sixth Noahide Law. It is the Talmuds interpretation of Genesis 9:4

6.Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. This is based on Genesis 9:4 "Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.



Here are all seven Noahide Laws. (And many of these are similiar to what is found in the 10 commandments).

1.Prohibition of Idolatry
2.Prohibition of Murder
3.Prohibition of Theft
4.Prohibition of Sexual immorality
5.Prohibition of Blasphemy
6.Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
7.Establishment of courts of law

The Talmud however, interprets Genesis 2:16 as containing the six prohibitions mentioned in its seven Noahide Laws. There was only one prohibition given to Adam before the fall, and that was to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (See Genesis 2:16-17). None of the six prohibitions of the Noahide Laws supposedly found in Genesis 2:16-17 were given to Adam. Since man had not yet fallen, there was no knowledge of murder, or theft, or sexual immorality, ect... and therefore no need for a prohibition against those things.

And there is no mention in the Noahic Covenant (See Genesis chapter 9) of a prohibition against theft, sexual immorality, or blasphemy which are three of the Talmud's Noahide Laws.

The Noahic Covenant does not equal the Noahide Laws mentioned in the Talmud.

As this thread is not about the Noahide Laws, this is all I am going to comment on it.
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