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Not sure what the confusion's about. The changes in the weather as we "knew" it, that is.......
God said it would be so...... before NASA did!
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Luke 21: 25-27) King James Version
or....
And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; and on the earth, fear among the nations and doubt because of the loud noise of the sea and the waves;
Men's strength will go from them in fear and in waiting for the things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of the heavens will be moved.
And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud, with power and great glory. (Luke 21: 25-27) Bible in Basic English
Excerpt: The previous solar cycle, Solar Cycle 23, peaked in 2000-2002 with many furious solar storms. That cycle decayed as usual to the present quiet leaving solar physicists little to do other than wonder, when would the next cycle begin? The answer is now.
Much of this is still years away. (as this article was written in 2008) "Intense solar activity won't begin immediately," notes Hathaway. "Solar cycles usually take a few years to build from solar minimum (where we are now) to Solar Max, expected in 2011 or 2012." It's a slow journey, but we're on our way.
Either which way you care to look at it, God's way, or science way....it's plain to see, that things are truly beginning to intensify. Believe it, or not.
Not sure what the confusion's about. The changes in the weather as we "knew" it, that is.......
God said it would be so...... before NASA did!
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Luke 21: 25-27) King James Version
or....
And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; and on the earth, fear among the nations and doubt because of the loud noise of the sea and the waves;
Men's strength will go from them in fear and in waiting for the things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of the heavens will be moved.
And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud, with power and great glory. (Luke 21: 25-27) Bible in Basic English
Excerpt: The previous solar cycle, Solar Cycle 23, peaked in 2000-2002 with many furious solar storms. That cycle decayed as usual to the present quiet leaving solar physicists little to do other than wonder, when would the next cycle begin? The answer is now.
Much of this is still years away. (as this article was written in 2008) "Intense solar activity won't begin immediately," notes Hathaway. "Solar cycles usually take a few years to build from solar minimum (where we are now) to Solar Max, expected in 2011 or 2012." It's a slow journey, but we're on our way.
Either which way you care to look at it, God's way, or science way....it's plain to see, that things are truly beginning to intensify. Believe it, or not.
'Beginning???' Hasn't there been 23 of them already -well since they have been recording them???
Not sure what the confusion's about. The changes in the weather as we "knew" it, that is.......
God said it would be so...... before NASA did!
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (Luke 21: 25-27) King James Version
or....
And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; and on the earth, fear among the nations and doubt because of the loud noise of the sea and the waves;
Men's strength will go from them in fear and in waiting for the things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of the heavens will be moved.
And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud, with power and great glory. (Luke 21: 25-27) Bible in Basic English
Excerpt: The previous solar cycle, Solar Cycle 23, peaked in 2000-2002 with many furious solar storms. That cycle decayed as usual to the present quiet leaving solar physicists little to do other than wonder, when would the next cycle begin? The answer is now.
Much of this is still years away. (as this article was written in 2008) "Intense solar activity won't begin immediately," notes Hathaway. "Solar cycles usually take a few years to build from solar minimum (where we are now) to Solar Max, expected in 2011 or 2012." It's a slow journey, but we're on our way.
Either which way you care to look at it, God's way, or science way....it's plain to see, that things are truly beginning to intensify. Believe it, or not.
Yes I believe! Solar activity is truly intensifying! Then it will wane back to a lull only to begin to re-intensify again! Hence the term "cycle".
The sun is an amazing and awesome and beautiful star. And it works.
"Solar activity waxes and wanes in 11-year cycles."
So what's your scriptural prognosis Betty? Will this be the solar cycle to end all solar cycles? Is something "unusual" going on?
AISI The big solar doomsday IS coming, but it may take quite a few days to get here.
In (somewhere around) 5,000,000,000 AD (when the core of the sun completely runs out of hydrogen) nuclear reactions in the core will cease, but reactions will continue in a shell around the core. The core will then contract (because it's not generating any energy) and it will heat up. At some point it will get so hot helium will start burning into carbon. With the core still contracting the hydrogen burning around the core heats up the outer layers which will then expand and the Sun will become what is known as a "Red Giant" and when it reaches out to the earth then the elements shall melt with a fervent heat (as it was in the beginning, so shall it be again).
And remember - a billion years to God is only about 63.5 seconds!
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Yes I believe! Solar activity is truly intensifying! Then it will wane back to a lull only to begin to re-intensify again! Hence the term "cycle".
The sun is an amazing and awesome and beautiful star. And it works.
"Solar activity waxes and wanes in 11-year cycles."
So what's your scriptural prognosis Betty? Will this be the solar cycle to end all solar cycles? Is something "unusual" going on?
AISI The big solar doomsday IS coming, but it may take quite a few days to get here.
In (somewhere around) 5,000,000,000 AD (when the core of the sun completely runs out of hydrogen) nuclear reactions in the core will cease, but reactions will continue in a shell around the core. The core will then contract (because it's not generating any energy) and it will heat up. At some point it will get so hot helium will start burning into carbon. With the core still contracting the hydrogen burning around the core heats up the outer layers which will then expand and the Sun will become what is known as a "Red Giant" and when it reaches out to the earth then the elements shall melt with a fervent heat (as it was in the beginning, so shall it be again).
And remember - a billion years to God is only about 63.5 seconds!
You too....shushhhh. Just listen for a change, sometimes no comments are necessary, amen?
Forgive me my dear Betsey. I was the kid in class that used to question EVERYTHING. I just prefer when things make sense and I'm pretty anal about that so forgive my questioning spirit.
One thing that Wakanda made sure of, was that human existence will always be in a state of change. Long term love and stability only exist in the next world....the world of the ancestors...which we will all be soon enough...aho
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
Matthew 24
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
The problem with throwing this into the 21st century is that it goes against Christ's own words later in the chapters of when this was to occur:
Luke 21
32"I tell you the truth, this generation[b] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Matthew 24
34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
A generation in scripture is 40 years, not 2000+ years. For those that believe that the greek word for generation as used in BOTH Luke and Matthew can mean race(therefore throwing the scripture anywhere in the future) is not what the greek word "genea" means. In every place in scripture that "genea" is used it ALWAYS meant the generation THEN living. If Jesus meant race He would have used the greek word "genos" which He didn't. He said "genea"
The scriptures in Luke and Matthew were one event not 2000+ years later but within the lifetime of those that first heard it or within 40 years it was first spoken. The reason why we do not understand the true meaning of the "celestial events" as noted in Luke and Matthew is because we are not like those who first heard the message in knowing our Old Testaments backwards and forwards like the Jews who were Christ's original audience.
The moment any Jew heard the prophecy about the sun, stars, and moon would have immediately been reminded that this language was used before in the law and the prophets many times before and cannot mean physical events. They would have remembered the prophets of old in the following scriptures from the Old Testament:
Isaiah 13:10, 13—judgment of Babylon (539 or 460 B.C.)
10 The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the LORD Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.
Isaiah 34:4—judgment of Edom (late 6th century B.C.)
4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved
and the sky rolled up like a scroll;
all the starry host will fall
like withered leaves from the vine,
like shriveled figs from the fig tree.
Ezekiel 32:7—judgment of Egypt (568 B.C.)
7 When I snuff you out, I will cover the heavens
and darken their stars;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
and the moon will not give its light.
Nahum 1:4-5 judgment of Nineveh (612 B.C.)
4 He rebukes the sea and dries it up;
he makes all the rivers run dry.
Bashan and Carmel wither
and the blossoms of Lebanon fade.
5 The mountains quake before him
and the hills melt away.
The earth trembles at his presence,
the world and all who live in it.
Joel 2:10—judgment of Judah (586 B.C.)
10 Before them the earth shakes,
the sky trembles,
the sun and moon are darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
Amos 8:9---judgment of the northern kingdom (722 B.C.)
9 "In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD,
"I will make the sun go down at noon
and darken the earth in broad daylight.
None of these kingdoms exist today. They were all judged by God and none of the above "celestial events" ever physically happened. It is Old Testament judgment language that a Jew in the 1st century would have been well versed in. These judgements were given by God against empires that existed in the time that the prophecies were written. They were not for an audience 2300+ years later. Only these kingdoms in the time they were written were guilty of judgement and God carried them out against those that were guilty.
In keeping with the original audience who first heard Luke and Matthew the audience of believing Jews would have immediately understood that God was about to carry out His sentence against a nation just as He did in Old Testament times. History played this out exactly as Jesus Himself stated.
The temple in Jerusalem is the main focus in Luke 21 and Matthew 24 and Jesus Himself stated directly in verse 1 of both books concerning the temple that:
Luke 21
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down."
Matthew 24
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
If the celestial events was for the 21st century then it destroys the fact that the only focus of the scriptures was the temple in Jerusalem that was currently still standing when Jesus spoke the prophecy. Jesus spoke about the Herodian temple that was directly in front of Him. He was not referencing a future temple in the 21st century.
The "celestial language" used by Jesus was in reference to the fall of the temple and that's it. The temple and Jerusalem was destroyed just as Christ said within a generation of those that heard the Olivet Discourse. Jesus spoke the prophecy in Luke 21 and Matthew 24 around 30 A.D. A generation later the temple was destroyed just as Jesus said in 70 A.D. exactly 40 years later after He spoke it.
Scripture interprets scripture. Isaiah, Ezekiel, Nahum, Joel, and Amos interpret what this language is. Also, if this really was to be interpreted physically, what would happen if this physically happened?
The sun would not give it's light?
That is not just a sign but death. Scientifically speaking if the sun did not
give it's light the earth would freeze in seconds. God is not talking about physical events. He is talking about the removal of nations when He uses this language. Which is exactly what happened with Babylon, Edom, Nineveh, Egypt, Judah, and the northern kingdom. In Luke 21 and Matthew 24 God is judging the nation that had rejected His Son in the flesh. Who declared Caesar/Rome their King instead of Christ. The temple was in Jerusalem, God would judge Israel for rejecting their Messiah and He did in 70 A.D. when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem for 3.5 years/42 months(sound familier?) and then destroyed their temple and city for unbelief.
Let the Old Testament be our guide. God Bless!
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