01-07-2013, 08:20 AM
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TomJones and Ohiogirl, thanks for the kind welcome. I just found this forum and am amazed at all the information it offers. I'm not sure how much I will post but I expect to keep reading here a lot.
Ohiogirl, I don't know how you enjoyed living in Lebanon or if you ever come back to see it (since it is your ex) but if you ever need a place to park for the carriage parade or blues fest let me know - we are on Cincinnati Avenue just two doors out from Glendower.
And I should have mentioned for the OP that we have a farmer's market on Thursdays right downtown, just a block from the Golden Lamb.
01-07-2013, 10:17 AM
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Ohiogirl, I don't know how you enjoyed living in Lebanon or if you ever come back to see it (since it is your ex) but if you ever need a place to park for the carriage parade or blues fest let me know - we are on Cincinnati Avenue just two doors out from Glendower.
Cool location. Back when Lebanon hosted the Honey Festival, I'd come home on East Mulberry Street and find strange cars parked in my driveway.
I did enjoy living there, even though the social scene for 20-something, college-educated, single people who didn't know everyone in town was quite limited. As we all got jobs elsewhere in the region, our little clique of transplants moved out of town, but one of my friends from the bad old days still lives there, out off Miller Road in a former cornfield. I was in Lebanon just last summer.
After I moved, I missed being able to walk downtown on a Saturday afternoon when I had nothing else to do, or walking into the bar at the Golden Lamb and knowing 90 percent of the people in there. My sister used to say it reminded her of "Cheer" when Norm walked into the bar, LOL. The first time I voted for Cincinnati City Council, I looked at the list of names and thought: "I can't vote for any of these people! I've never had a beer with them ... "
There are some joys in living in a small town.
I pulled my old tinsel Christmas tree out of the box last month, and found it wrapped in a trash bag that read: Lebanon Keep It Clean.
Does the city still give out free trash bags?
01-07-2013, 11:56 AM
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I never got free trash bags, so I guess they stopped doing that a while ago. We do go into the bar area of the Golden Lamb, which is called the Black Horse Tavern now (was it then?), for their great hamburgers.
I think of Lebanon as being two distinct communities; the historic downtown and closely attached suburbs, and the cornfielders beyond the sidewalks. If you lived on East Mulberry you're one of us old town types. Previously we lived on East Main, just a block over from you. East Mulberry has the liveliest trick-or-treating in town - huge crowds of little witches and goblins. What a great scene that is on Halloween! You should see the Orient Fire House now. The city sold it to a private owner who has painted it - appropriately - fire engine red. It looks great.
01-12-2013, 06:29 PM
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Grudgingly I agree with Scott. Lebanon is the most decent nearby suburb/exurb of Cincinnati. It is close in enough to be driveable but doesn't suffer from a ton of sprawl and is probably one of the more authentic towns in its own right than most other Cincinnati burbs.
Brill's probably gonna chime in about Mason but to that I'd say that Mason sort of blends over from West Chester in one contiguous blob. Honestly and seriously, if you drive into Mason along Rt 42 it's one continuous stretch of suburb from Sharonville, West Chester and then Mason.
Lebanon *is* SW Ohio and Lebanon was "Romney Central" this last fall. Quite, quite over the top conservative here. You won't find hipster, bohemian or counterculture types around here at all unless you personally know some.
01-12-2013, 08:27 PM
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Ohioan58...
I will agree Lebanon is one of the most distinctive recognizable towns close to Cincinnati with the exception of places like Lawrenceburg Indiana, maybe the OP should give that a look.
But I do not feel Lebanon has the walkable characteristics expressed by the OP. Certainly there is the old original downtown. But there is little there which caters to the needs of everyday living. It is an old historic town with a lot of quaint charcteristics which has not yet been totally run over by sprawl. But all of the new expansion on all sides has the same appearance as the sprawl in any other suburb, subdivisions, lookalike houses, etc. And the commercial is pretty well spread out and I would hate to be required to walk it on any regular basis, for example to get to a grocery store.
I would never attempt to sell Mason to someone asking for a compact downtown where they can get most daily needs in a walkable arrangement, as it does not have that. Nor do I believe Lebanon has that, it is too spread out. But Lebanon does retain more of a quaint and distinctive downtown appearance.
Frankly what the OP described is more of a utopia I feel currently exists in very few places.
Madeira comes closest to fitting the bill around here in that the walkable downtown has the grocery store, pharmac(ies), butcher shop, hardware store, dry cleaner, bank(s), and assorted other businesses which are part of daily living, all within close proximity walking distance. The only problem is do you want to live near downtown Madeira so you are close to everything? Madeira as a whole has some very nice housing, but you are not going to feel invigorated to walk into downtown very often. You might drive, park the car, walk arouind to the various establishments after you fill up the trunk at the grovery, but walk the whole round trip not likely.
The often expressed Mariemont is even more restrictive in terms of how many businesses actually exist there to satisfy everyday needs. If your desire is to be able to meander around in a parklike setting, Mariemont is great, but to do your everyday shopping not so much.
I can't express whether Cleveland or Columbus has these idyllic type of neighborhoods since I am not familiar. But I fankly doubt whether they exist there much anymore. Since the neighborhood grocer was overrun by the supermarket, they tend to put their larger stores on the outskirts, cheaper land, more parking, etc. The same goes for the pharmacies replaced by the large national chains. Go right down the line, mom and pop stores are not the current wave.
When I first moved to Madeira back in the 40s with my parents it was exactly what the OP was describing. We were five blocks from downtown, on the last street. The whole city had a similar grid, 5 blocks from the center and you were at the limits. The business district was not too much different than it is today, other than the fact where one pharmacy now exists was a combination building housing a small Kroger and the Camargo Theatre, our local movie joint. It was great growing up there. We had a 5&10 store, a local pharmacy with a soda fountain serving phosphates, and we all walked to school.
So I grew up in exactly the same environment many are pining for today. Remembering those days I definitely feel the tugs at the heart strings to bring them back. But frankly I just do not feel it is going to happen.
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I agree with that, too and thank you for deepening the critique. Lebanon's downtown IS walkable but the range of different types of things that you can walk to readily is very limited. A couple of banks, a realtor or two, a couple of ice cream shops, a few sandwich shops, a few bars. There isn't even a downtown general retail store in Lebanon. The pressure from the antiques businesses for retail space really hammered downtown Lebanon into conformity - tons of antique shops all selling the same overpriced dusty crap - and did so well before WalMart moved in. And most of the foot traffic is touristic. No class of professionals makes the downtown "theirs."
What you get from Lebanon is the facade, the movie set version of downtown small town USA. Not a fleshed out reality with depth. I just added what I said above in case for someone that version is good enough for them.
01-13-2013, 10:02 AM
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I agree with that, too and thank you for deepening the critique. Lebanon's downtown IS walkable but the range of different types of things that you can walk to readily is very limited.
Not everything in Lebanon is downtown, just as in larger cities. Even though the commercial establishments are spread out, Lebanon is still small enough that many of those establishments can be reached on foot. No one's going to be hiking out to Kroger, no doubt, but there's plenty in between.
Being able to walk to Goodwill and the Golden Lamb's bar was good enough for me.
01-13-2013, 10:39 AM
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Not everything in Lebanon is downtown, just as in larger cities. Even though the commercial establishments are spread out, Lebanon is still small enough that many of those establishments can be reached on foot. No one's going to be hiking out to Kroger, no doubt, but there's plenty in between.
Being able to walk to Goodwill and the Golden Lamb's bar was good enough for me.
But as you know everything changes. How long since you lived there? What is there between downtown and Kroger, a few gas-station mini-marts? Is this where you are going to grocery shop? I will simply state as the utopia walk to everything you need during the week Lebanon is simply not it. I am not knocking Lebanon, just stating it is by no way the utopia some would like to describe it to be.
I will go further than that. I will state just as large a percentage of Lebanon residents get into their car to drive to the supermarket for the weekly shopping as residents in Mason. So where is the major difference?
01-13-2013, 02:27 PM
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^ Agree with you fully. After a short while, Lebanon and environs can become pretty tiresome (and small). It's a "nice town," but it ain't all that.
01-13-2013, 09:21 PM
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But as you know everything changes. How long since you lived there? What is there between downtown and Kroger, a few gas-station mini-marts? Is this where you are going to grocery shop? I will simply state as the utopia walk to everything you need during the week Lebanon is simply not it. I am not knocking Lebanon, just stating it is by no way the utopia some would like to describe it to be.
I will go further than that. I will state just as large a percentage of Lebanon residents get into their car to drive to the supermarket for the weekly shopping as residents in Mason. So where is the major difference?
If I gave unbalanced "utopia" feedback for Lebanon, and that set anyone's teeth on edge, I certainly apologize.
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Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)