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Originally Posted by urbanologist;[URL="tel:[URL="tel:23448093"
23448093 (tel:23448093 - broken link)[/url]"]23448093 (tel:23448093 - broken link)[/url]] If all the Midwest cities were push together in a smaller region like along the Lake then the density would be high. Hoboken and Guttenburg don't have no where near the large urban foot print as Chicago. It would be like saying New Orleans's French Quarter and Charleston, SC are more urban because they have denser streets than Chicago because they are older but have a much smaller urbanized area.
Denser streets? LOL Both Hoboken and Gutenberg NJ do not just have denser streets but are more densely populated than Chicago and in the same time are New York City suburbs. Imagine, Even NYC's burbs beat Chicago while in the Midwest it is hard to find decent urban density outside of Chicago, including its suburbs. LOL
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NYC may have a busier water port but Chicago does have the 2nd busiest airport with many connections around the world,
NO. NYC is a busier port, period. All three New York City airports combined beat (and always had) Chicago airports in traffic and volume. LOL
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Agriculture is bigger in the Midwest because of the larger land area and population but it's also big in PA
NoAgriculture is bigger in the Midwest because the area has been traditionally agrarian while NE has always been the most urbanized, industrialized and densely populated area of the country.
Urbanologist, for your nickname you do not know much about urbanity in the US... LOL
NYC slightly edges out Chicago in gourmet food, but "fast food" Chicago wins by a mile...Maxwell Street Polish and Italian Beef are the best....
Really? Just because of some hotdog? First of all, there are no street vendors in Chicago who in NYC provide coffee. donuts, hotdogs, italian sausages, souvlaki and even Chinese food in China town. There are also pizzerias on almost every corner in the five bororughs selling pizza by slice and there are many 24hr delis and diners. I'd say that fast food is one of the areas where Chicago doesn't offer any competition for New York contending with omnipresent McDonalds, Arbys and Chipotles chains...
And "New York does not slightly edge Chicago in gourmet food": it destroys it based on any popular culinary guide, including Michelin.
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Chicago is a top 12 international city in finance...in many studies in the top 8. Financial centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Global Cities 2010: The Rankings | Foreign Policy
Also, Chicago is also home to just about every major medical organization in the U.S. .
Yet it is always ranked behind New York City. What was your point? LOL
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Chicago has massive population of Eastern Europeans (except for Russians), South Asians, Mexicans, Irish, Germans, Italians, Swedes, Greeks, and Blacks plus a decent amount of Assyrians. That is a melting pot.
Can it compete with New York though? No. Queens county is the most diverse country in the entire US.
[quote=OyCrumbler;]The northeast corridor is densely populate, but there's a lot of agrarian and natural parts outside of it (which is great!).
Since we are comparing NYC and Chicago, NE is more densely populated and less agrarian than Midwest. Isn't it?
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He's right about the Midwest having more notable second and third tier cities, but I'm not sure what kind of argument he wants to make with that.
I am not sure: if NYC is the first tier and Philly, Boston and DC are second tier cities then what would be their Midwestern match: Detroit? Milwaukee? St. Louis? Minneapolis? Which one is more notable from the urban perspective than the mentioned above three second tier NE cities?
If all the Midwest cities were push together in a smaller region like along the Lake then the density would be high. Hoboken and Guttenburg don't have no where near the large urban foot print as Chicago. It would be like saying New Orleans's French Quarter and Charleston, SC are more urban because they have denser streets than Chicago because they are older but have a much smaller urbanized area. Only NYC can go over lap Chicago's urban density foot print. Also I could care less about the currupt politics in DC you can keep over there. Chicago is corrupt but not all the Midwest cities are like that which is less government intrusiveness with more freedom from Puritan like crap laws.
NYC may have a busier water port but Chicago does have the 2nd busiest airport with many connections around the world, largest rail hub, logistic transportation and largest industrial manufacturing center in the country. Agriculture is bigger in the Midwest because of the larger land area and population but it's also big in PA where we get a lot of our snack and dairy foods. Nothing wrong with having farms in PA and NY. They do have grown food as well. I know because I've dealt with these places.
Puritan like crap laws, did you forget to set your clock forward 400 years and an Hour last week?
Denser streets? LOL Both Hoboken and Gutenberg NJ do not just have denser streets but are more densely populated than Chicago and in the same time are New York City suburbs. Imagine, Even NYC's burbs beat Chicago while in the Midwest it is hard to find decent urban density outside of Chicago, including its suburbs. LOL
That's not much of an area nor population. The Willis Tower (Sears Tower) has more occupants than any single office or residential building in NJ with it's own zipcode.
Guttenburg,NJ
Pop: 10,600
Land area: 0.19 square miles.
Population density: 54,939 people per square mile
Hoboken,NJ
Pop: 41,015
Land area: 1.28 square miles.
Population density: 32,150 people per square mile
Those two places don't cover much area and those density figures aren't that high across the board in the other surrounding suburban cities or towns in NJ. Chicago has plenty of areas similar in density population outside of the above two.
Yeah, I really don't see a huge gap in most of the suburban NJ zipcode densities compared to Chicago. Maybe a small handful but that's it.
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NO. NYC is a busier port, period. All three New York City airports combined beat (and always had) Chicago airports in traffic and volume. LOL
I only mentioned one 'single' airport to another airport comparison but if you want to go outside to include other airports than the Midwest has a lot more them and traffic compared to the Northeast.
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NoAgriculture is bigger in the Midwest because the area has been traditionally agrarian while NE has always been the most urbanized, industrialized and densely populated area of the country.
Most Industrialized?? No Chicago had passed LA as the nation's largest manufacturing city. Cities like Detroit would be more blue collar industrial than a city like Boston. Boston nor Philly doesn't produce the many cars and other automotive accessories as Detroit. Gary,IN is also more industrialized. You really need to get out of your bubble. I deal with some of these industries in all these cities regularly to know the difference.
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Urbanologist, for your nickname you do not know much about urbanity in the US... LOL
I travel these cities very frequently because it's part of my job. I'm constantly traveling everyday sometimes up to 7 states in one day. I've always been interested in the cities I visit and explore them when I can. Let's just say I don't need a GPS or map for the most part. You have no clue what I see. I don't just sit behind the computer all day doing Google searches on places I've never been. Unlike you I at least have photos to back up my experiences.
Originally Posted by urbanologist;[URL="tel:[URL="tel:[color=violet
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What's your point? I just proved to you that not only NYC but some of NYC's suburbs are denser than Chicago, and any other Midwestern city for that matter... Any similar density anywhere in Midwest? LOL
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Those two places don't cover much area and those density figures aren't that high across the board in the other surrounding suburban cities or towns in NJ. Chicago has plenty of areas similar in density population outside of the above two.
We are talking about suburbs here. Are there any suburbs in Chicago of similar density? I am just trying to make you realize how different not only NYC but the entire NE is from Midwest.
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Yeah, I really don't see a huge gap in most of the suburban NJ zipcode densities compared to Chicago. Maybe a small handful but that's it.
LOL. Maybe you'll be able to see a huge gap between density of NYC suburbs and Chicago suburbs? Again, just trying to show you how different the cities and region are.
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I only mentioned one 'single' airport to another airport comparison but if you want to go outside to include other airports than the Midwest has a lot more them and traffic compared to the Northeast.
That's why I pointed out your mistake. Picking up a single airport in Chicago comparing it to a single airport in NYC does not make any sense and does not reflect the reality where New York is much busier sea and air port than Chicago.
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Most Industrialized?? No Chicago had passed LA as the nation's largest manufacturing city.
Again. I pointed out that statistically NE is the most developed, urbanized, densely populated area of the US and now you are talking about Chicago. How is Midwest vs. Northeast from the industrial perspective? LOL Reading comprehension problems? LOL
How about comparing the best universities in Midwest to best universities in Northeast? LOL
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Originally Posted by urbanologist;[URL="tel:[URL="tel:23461260"
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I travel these cities very frequently because it's part of my job. I'm constantly traveling everyday sometimes up to 7 states in one day. I've always been interested in the cities I visit and explore them when I can. Let's just say I don't need a GPS or map for the most part. You have no clue what I see. I don't just sit behind the computer all day doing Google searches on places I've never been. Unlike you I at least have photos to back up my experiences.
I don't care what you see, seeing does not equal understanding. I just proved how useless your photos are by showing that some NYC suburbs are denser not only than Chicago but any Midwestern City. Is there anything like that outside of Chicago? LOL Picture or no picture:
statistically NE is the most densely populated, developed, industrialized and urbanized region in the US. Midwest on the other hand is very agrarian, less developed and less urbanized.
[quote=tristann;23462256]What's your point? I just proved to you that not only NYC but some of NYC's suburbs are denser than Chicago, and any other Midwestern city for that matter... Any similar density anywhere in Midwest? LOL
We are talking about suburbs here. Are there any suburbs in Chicago of similar density? I am just trying to make you realize how different not only NYC but the entire NE is from Midwest.
LOL. Maybe you'll be able to see a huge gap between density of NYC suburbs and Chicago suburbs? Again, just trying to show you how different the cities and region are.
That's why I pointed out your mistake. Picking up a single airport in Chicago comparing it to a single airport in NYC does not make any sense and does not reflect the reality where New York is much busier sea and air port than Chicago.
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Most Industrialized?? No Chicago had passed LA as the nation's largest manufacturing city. [/quoted]
Again. I pointed out that statistically NE is the most developed, urbanized, densely populated area of the US and now you are talking about Chicago. How is Midwest vs. Northeast from the industrial perspective? LOL Reading comprehension problems? LOL
How about comparing the best universities in Midwest to best universities in Northeast? LOL
I don't care what you see, seeing does not equal understanding. What you post is simply absurd.
Again, NE is the most densely populated, developed, industrialized and urbanized region in the US. Midwest on the other hand is very agrarian, less developed and less urbanized. Are you disputing this?
Of course it's less developed, it's waaaaayyyy bigger.
Again, NE is the most densely populated, developed, industrialized and urbanized region in the US. Midwest on the other hand is very agrarian, less developed and less urbanized. Are you disputing this? Of course it's less developed, it's waaaaayyyy bigger.
Of course it's less developed, it's waaaaayyyy bigger.
Really? You see a causation here? LOL Let's say we limit Midwest to Illinois, Indiana. Wisconsin and Michigan Would it be more developed than NE then? LOL
The real reason is that NE is industrial while Midwest agrarian. Industry promotes growth of cities and urbanity. Agriculture does not.
Really? You see a causation here? LOL Let's say we limit Midwest to Illinois, Indiana. Wisconsin and Michigan Would it be more developed than NE then? LOL
The real reason is that NE is industrial while Midwest agrarian. Industry promotes growth of cities and urbanity.
I would suggest a hobby, or something like that. Constant bashing and negativity can't be good for anyone. There is also agriculture in New York state - actually, a fair amount of it. There are those who don't want to live packed in like sardines....a little room to move around on your OWN land is pretty spectacular.
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