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That article that StuddedLeather posted on the kindred spirits of Oakland and Brooklyn was an interesting article. That Jay-Z Oakland reference was funny also. I guess the 2 are more alike than people care to admit. BK is a beast, but because it's near Manhattan, there are lot of things that won't be made available in BK that most self-contained cities would have, especially things Brooklyn SHOULD have for it's size. Either way, BK is part of NYC and thus all the amenities of Manhattan should be shared with it, but for the sake of this thread BK isn't apart of NYC. Everything else is preference.
If I could bow to this post right now. . .
I fully agree. One thing I wish Brooklyn had (and you guys pointed this out which was fun/funny) Is an Apple Store. I know it's coming soon from rumors/inevitability, but I want one NOW! The 4 (soon to be 5) stores in Manhattan always seem like tourist spots. I hate that feeling of being a tourist so I don't go to the stores, though I love, practically breathe, for Apple. Just kidding but I do love the company/products.
End of my fanboy rant.
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A couple points...
1. LA and SF seem to be, to a large degree, lumped together as one city called "California" in many international peoples' perceptions (with LA and SF often being interchangable), and this "California" forms about as much as peoples' impression of the US as NYC does, especially in Asia.
2. I think that people do inadvertently know more of Brooklyn than they think they do, for the simple reason that when people think of brick rowhouses with stoops and urban youth hanging out, rapping, etc etc on the "mean streets" of NYC, the place that they imagine is much more Brooklyn than Manhattan. Most of them just don't realize it.
I don't think anyone here really thought that it was a desolate suburb, honestly. I've been there, so I know it's not... but because of that, I also know how it doesn't measure up to SF. I don't want to keep the bashing up, so I'm not going to get into it and incur the wrath of more videos of booty clapping (not that there's anything wrong with that... just not in this venue) and childish, ham-fisted BS...so I'll just leave it at that. Again: I lived in NYC, I've (by proxy) been there, I chose to live in SF over it.
I'd like to see that, too; I'm much more a fan of cross-cultural exchanges where people gain a new awareness for what makes a place stand on its own, rather than boost one by putting down the other.
If the current rates of growth continue, I can certainly see that, and maybe in time, it will stand more on its own as opposed to being part of an amorphous "New York" in most peoples' perceptions. Oakland is going through the same thing right now, and the revitalization of SOMA will soon stretch down the Eastern shore of Southern San Francisco.
Great response! I agree with a lot of the points you've mentioned.
A lot of people here are mad about the improvements/revitalization, gentrification if you will. But I welcome it! Brooklyn has come a long way from the 80's-90's (though I wasn't born ), so you won't see me talking about homeless people on the street because Brooklyn just started to improve with this. Maybe within the last decade the most!
Ah. I had great time when I was in Bk years ago, and I want to return.
How long ago was this? I say, if you're really planning a visit, wait at least until the arena is completed so you can watch a game or show. I just really love that arena and what the complete project will look like. Here's the latest new render (for the residential buildings). . . . I love it but a lot of people don't think it 'fits'.
-Food: San Francisco
-Art: Brooklyn
-Diversity: Tie
-Architecture: Brooklyn
-Live Music scene: Brooklyn
-Nightlife: Brooklyn
-Transportation: Brooklyn
-Parks: San Francisco
-Scenery: San Francisco
-Street Vibrancy: Brooklyn
I fully agree. One thing I wish Brooklyn had (and you guys pointed this out which was fun/funny) Is an Apple Store. I know it's coming soon from rumors/inevitability, but I want one NOW! The 4 (soon to be 5) stores in Manhattan always seem like tourist spots. I hate that feeling of being a tourist so I don't go to the stores, though I love, practically breathe, for Apple. Just kidding but I do love the company/products.
End of my fanboy rant.
Great response! I agree with a lot of the points you've mentioned.
A lot of people here are mad about the improvements/revitalization, gentrification if you will. But I welcome it! Brooklyn has come a long way from the 80's-90's (though I wasn't born ), so you won't see me talking about homeless people on the street because Brooklyn just started to improve with this. Maybe within the last decade the most!
I honestly had no ideal BK didn't have an Apple Store. That's crazy. But, it isn't really a necessity.
How long ago was this? I say, if you're really planning a visit, wait at least until the arena is completed so you can watch a game or show. I just really love that arena and what the complete project will look like. Here's the latest new render (for the residential buildings). . . . I love it but a lot of people don't think it 'fits'.
I think it looks kind of cool overall. The, uh, "middle portion" in the third pic (i.e., black base/white tower) has a bit of a German 1950's/60's look to it from that angle, which sort of clashes with the other part which is closes to the viewer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's one building, made to look like multiple buildings, correct?
Either way, I do think it looks pretty good overall. It'll certainly add density, entertainment, and commerce to the area, one way or the other!
Make what you will of this fact, but we're not the first ones making this reference. Brooklyn's no San Francisco. It's Oakland.
Yup, we've been making this point for several pages now and now their hero has made the same claim but I wonder if it will change some minds? LOL.
Brooklyn and Oakland have many similarities not only with respect to some demographic measures but also in relation to its place in their respective Metro areas.
Otherwise, we can continue to Brooklyn vs SF comparison but the Downtown comparison alone is laughable at best.
Lol. It's not set in stone yet but I do think, for modular construction, it's a nice first render. Maybe within this month or next, they'll have more designs to throw around since they want to ground break early next year.
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I think it looks kind of cool overall. The, uh, "middle portion" in the third pic (i.e., black base/white tower) has a bit of a German 1950's/60's look to it from that angle, which sort of clashes with the other part which is closes to the viewer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's one building, made to look like multiple buildings, correct?
Either way, I do think it looks pretty good overall. It'll certainly add density, entertainment, and commerce to the area, one way or the other!
I believe it's going to be consider one building, because on the Brownstoner link it said something about 350 units. I do see, in one of the pix, you can enter/exit from the arena as well. But I doubt that'll be the only entrance for residents. I don't know, I just really like the detailing and the architectural direction. But I'm not going to get attached because this isn't the final design as of yet.
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), so you won't see me talking about homeless people on the street because Brooklyn just started to improve with this. Maybe within the last decade the most!
