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Here are some pictures of SF's densest neighborhood, the Tenderloin. Nowhere in Philly is as densely populated as this neighborhood...there are multiple tracts in the TL that are more than twice as dense as the densest tracts in Philly:
All sizes | Tenderloin SF night | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreaminof1or2/669435642/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Looking For Dashiell Hammett | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bats1234/4526006167/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | View from Top of the Mark | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pyrokinetic/4329473855/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Toward the Tenderloin, SF. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/giskard/2989160106/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | The Hamilton - 631 O'Farrell Street, SF (built 1929) - view from Larkin @ O'Farrell | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4242323160/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Street Wall | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15316475@N04/3442023269/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | A View of San Francisco Skyline from a Tenderloin Apartment | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjackson/4946298954/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Tenderloin, San Francisco | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveglass/4263095268/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | 700 block of O'Farrell Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4242321418/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | View from our Balcony | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sirgious/3623725014/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Jones St- Tenderloin SF | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/5150fag/4335194129/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | view from Cosmo Place and Ophir Alley, San Francisco | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/3829573710/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Taylor Street, San Francisco - view south from Sutter Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4199721602/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Eddy Street, SF - view east from Hyde Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4236502352/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
Irony Soup for lunch in the Northeast today I see.
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YOU were the one who posted the data. I've said all along that statistics (as we all know) can be misleading.
It would be misleading if the physical areas were not also included. Otherwise there is no deception whatsoever.
It appears that you were misled by your ego.
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And now your boy, rah, is even arguing that the Tenderloin is denser than Harlem because, well, his data says so.
Ive been to Harlem on several occasions as well as the Tenderloin and rah is correct.
The data confirms that and you will just have to bite the bullet and accept it. Or not. I really don't care.
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I mean, San Francisco has denser and more urban neighborhoods than Harlem, so it's no wonder why little ol' Philadelphia doesn't have a fighting chance against that 47 sq. mile juggernaut.
Actually we now know that for your hollow bravado about Philadelphia's size 'advantage', that city does not have an equivalent area that is more dense than SFs average density.
In fact, even at 46 sq miles, SF has a larger land mass that is over 17,000+ppsm, 29 sq miles vs 25 sq miles for Philly.
You can try to continue spinning this till your dizzy, but that doesnt change anything.
Why am I not surprised that you arent also picking out the tiny Philadelphia neighborhoods as well?
Philadelphia Neighborhood, Population/Area in Sq Miles/Population Density Antique Row, 1,002/0.027/37,402
Gayborhood, 4,356/0.118/37,009
Powelton Village, 4,996/0.156/32,108
South Philadelphia, 22,053/0.702/31,414 Financial District, 1,913/0.063/30,274
Spruce Hill, 8,289/0.274/30,215
Rittenhouse, 19,917/0.665/29,938
Dickinson Narrows, 5,513/0.188/29,273
Washington Square, 12,372/0.426/29,044
Newbold, 13,106/0.463/28,295 Restaurant Row, 183/0.007/28,133
East Passyunk Crossing, 8,188/0.306/26,753
Penn Campus Shopping/West Philly 5,522/0.210/26,275 3rd St Fabric Row, 139/.006/25,019
Point Breeze, 25,689/1.054/24,547
Girard Estate, 10,157/0.414/24,508
Harrowgate, 16,681/0.699/23,878 Avenue of the Arts, 393/0.017/23,750
Passyunk Square, 11,608/0.500/23,196
Filter Square, 4,694/0.203/23,100
Fairmount, 5,918/0.259/22,826 Chestnut Street, 595/.026/22,505
Bella Vista, 4,456/.200/22,284
Wharton, 24,742/1.089/22,728
Garden Court, 7,695/0.347/22,204
Carroll Park, 12,733/0.588/21,652
Cedar Park, 15,755/0.717/21,988
Spring Garden, 6,715/0.312/21,552
Center City West, 26,037/1.203/21,642
Haddington, 27,138/1.275/21,285 Bainbidge St Booksellers Row, 765/.036/21,202
Cobbs Creek, 40,433/1.979/20,431 Oregon Av Discount Shopping, 1,477/0.072/20,430
Fairhill, 28,456/1.415/20,112
63rd St Discount Shopping, 1,777/.091/19,558
Society Hill, 6,413/0.330/19,429
Baring, 13,721/0.708/19,392
Southwest Center City, 9,816/0.508/19,325
Queen Village, 6,038/0.313/19,312
Italian Market, 2,424/0.126/19,240 Penn Center, 1,386/0.073/18,869 Passyunk Discount Shopping, 772/0.041/18,743
The Badlands, 5,349/0.288/18.586
Walnut Hill, 5,678/0.312/ 18,204
Squirrel Hill, 6,611/0.366/18,052 South Street, 1,092/0.061/17,831
Fairmount, 21,329/1.232/17,309
Olney, 37,253/2.109/17.667
Brewerytown, 11,966/.694/17,249
West Oak Lane, 39,254/2.277/17,236
*yawns*
Ya got nothing.
Again these are 200 data but even said lets do a quick exercise of some street views of some of the top ones to show how stats and how lines are drawn can be a little misleading
I am not sure the point, tracts only go so far. the larger 5-6 sq mile figures to me are far more relevant
A quote from my post two pages ago
but SF does achieve higher density in the core, best estimate I have is in the core 5-6 miles a difference of about 5k ppsm (38K vs 43K) which probably is better comparator as both have some more urber dense areas.
The images I just posted give way to this in a few blocks, still very dense but at a much lower rate overall (thought this is stilll about 45K ppsm)
Please don't be a bore, being marginally denser doesn't explicitly guarantee 'urban'. I again refer to co-op city in the Bronx. coop city - Google Maps
And being jealous is not very appealling either.
Deliberately picking an unflattering view of SF is desparate and in this thread, trite.
Here are some pictures of SF's densest neighborhood, the Tenderloin. Nowhere in Philly is as densely populated as this neighborhood...there are multiple tracts in the TL that are more than twice as dense as the densest tracts in Philly
You've already established that the Tenderloin is denser than Harlem, which in effect means the Tenderloin is the densest residential section of the United States.
LOL!!! Now I'm convinced you're just a troll. You have no credibility whatsoever. Tenderloin denser than Harlem, huh? I'll have to file that one under the "all time dumbest statements made on C-D" along with (1) Cleveland having a larger banking industry than Charlotte and Chicago and (2) Midtown Atlanta being more walkable with more public transit options than Back Bay, Boston.
Whew! I've heard it all on here. It's amazing the stupid stuff homerism makes people say.
Irony Soup for lunch in the Northeast today I see.
It would be misleading if the physical areas were not also included. Otherwise there is no deception whatsoever.
It appears that you were misled by your ego.
Ive been to Harlem on several occasions as well as the Tenderloin and rah is correct.
The data confirms that and you will just have to bite the bullet and accept it. Or not. I really don't care.
Actually we now know that for your hollow bravado about Philadelphia's size 'advantage', that city does not have an equivalent area that is more dense than SFs average density.
In fact, even at 46 sq miles, SF has a larger land mass that is over 17,000+ppsm, 29 sq miles vs 25 sq miles for Philly.
You can try to continue spinning this till your dizzy, but that doesnt change anything.
Remember Montclair these are 2000 data there were some pretty significant population increases in the core.
And then why doesnt SF have a higher population in the 46/7 sq miles even with all the geographic benefits
On your bravado then why is Philly more dense in the core 47 sq miles? or 135 or 200. I think we all agree that SF has a more dense core, but again this gap has also been closed since 2000
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