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Philadelphia is not exactly whoppingly dense either, is it?
I got tired after letters A-C.
Population Per Square Mile
Aston Neighborhood, Philadelphia 6,818
Crestmont Farms Neighborhood, Philadelphia 6,736
Busteton Neighborhood, Philadelphia 5,884
Ben Frankling Parkway-Kelly Drive Neighborhood, Philadelphia 5,212
Callowhill Neighborhood, Philadelphia 3,903
Ashton Woodenbridge, Phildelphia 3,680
Club District Neighborhood, Philadelphia 3,655
Byberry Neighborhood, Philadephia 3,097
Abbotsford Neighborhood, Philadelphia 3,079
Bridesburg Neighborhood, Philadelphia 2,967
Chestnut Hill Neighborhood, Philadelphia 2,541
Andorra Neighborhood, Philadelphia 1,767
Weak logic.
Philadelphia is a huge city. We have all types of neighborhoods. Overall, we have more urban neighborhoods than the whole entire Bay Area. We don't have many areas with free standing houses, driveways, and small yards. If you grew up in Philly, there's a 90 percent chance you grew up in a rowhouse. If you didn't grow up in a rowhouse, then you grew up in an apartment building. If you didn't grow up in a building, then you may have had the privilege of growing up in one of the comparatively few free standing residences in the city limits.
The Bay Area (with the exception of the 47 sq. miles of San Francisco) is dominated by small, free standing, single family homes with small yards and driveways. These neighborhoods look and feel far more suburban than tightly-packed rowhome neighborhoods in the Northeast, West and Southwest Philadelphia, largely owing to the fact that much of the development there was designed around the automobile. This is not hard to understand. A city that has been around since the 1600s, and was designed so that people could walk, is going to be more urban than a city designed for people with cars.
Philadelphia is not exactly whoppingly dense either, is it?
I got tired after letters A-C.
Population Per Square Mile
Aston Neighborhood, Philadelphia 6,818
Crestmont Farms Neighborhood, Philadelphia 6,736
Busteton Neighborhood, Philadelphia 5,884
Ben Frankling Parkway-Kelly Drive Neighborhood, Philadelphia 5,212
Callowhill Neighborhood, Philadelphia 3,903
Ashton Woodenbridge, Phildelphia 3,680
Club District Neighborhood, Philadelphia 3,655
Byberry Neighborhood, Philadephia 3,097
Abbotsford Neighborhood, Philadelphia 3,079
Bridesburg Neighborhood, Philadelphia 2,967
Chestnut Hill Neighborhood, Philadelphia 2,541
Andorra Neighborhood, Philadelphia 1,767
Most of these are in the far Northeast and further away from the core than places like Darby, Upper Darby, Milbourne, East landsdowne, Parkside, Clifton heights, etc. all 10-16K ppsm I believe (not to mention core areas that could be added far closer to the core on the Jersey side. And I think most of us have said that these places in the Far NE of Philly are considered suburbs and similar to areas of Oakland. So toss those out and add in the others in the 135 sq miles, we can increase the core density in Philly. And despite all these places, two large airports, the largest oil refinery after the gulf coast, second largest railyard on the east coast, huge port, and a 10,000 acre park the actual boundary of Philly is nearly 12K ppsm as of the 2010 census.
Like picking specific areas there there are issues - the Kelly Drive one is 90% Fairmount park etc. the same can be done in any area. the very small residential sliver is right next to and similar in developement to 30K+ tract.
And If you read back both Bajan and I cutoff the continuous rowhome neghborhoods far before these areas you listed. Also Bridesburg is more than 70% covered by a chemical plant, quite ugly and smells from my perspective.
Most of these are in the far Northeast and further away from the core than places like Darby, Upper Darby, Milbourne, East landsdowne, Parkside, Clifton heights, etc. all 10-16K ppsm I believe (not to mention core areas that could be added far closer to the core on the Jersey side. And I think most of us have said that these places in the Far NE of Philly are considered suburbs and similar to areas of Oakland. So toss those out and add in the others in the 135 sq miles, we can increase the core density in Philly. And despite all these places, two large airports, the largest oil refinery after the gulf coast, second largest railyard on the east coast, huge port, and a 10,000 acre park the actual boundary of Philly is nearly 12K ppsm as of the 2010 census.
Like picking specific areas there there are issues - the Kelly Drive one is 90% Fairmount park etc. the same can be done in any area.
Eh, he's just mad that Oakland has about the same level of urbanity as Teaneck. I will give it to 'em, though. The Bay Area does have a lot of dense suburban areas.
Eh, he's just mad that Oakland has about the same level of urbanity as Teaneck. I will give it to 'em, though. The Bay Area does have a lot of dense suburban areas.
Eh, he's just mad that Oakland has about the same level of urbanity as Teaneck.
No, your just mad because all this time, you've been picking on our density when it turns out there are plenty of neighborhoods in Philadelphia, some, close to downtown in fact, that are actually quite pathetic when it comes to density and have about as much vibrancy as an old west ghost town. In that sense, Philadelphia is more on Oakland's level than it is on San Francisco's level.
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The Bay Area (with the exception of the 47 sq. miles of San Francisco) is dominated by small, free standing, single family homes with small yards and driveways.
Albany+Alameda+Berkeley+Daly City+Emeryville+Oakland+San Francisco combined are about the same size as Philadelphia(actually more spread out because of the Bay) and have roughly the exact same population density.
I don't think too many east coasters would be lining up to live in the gutter of San Francisco...
^looks real "warm" doesn't it
Eh, that doesn't look so bad. They don't even have alleyways, vacants, or abandoned warehouses they use can use for torture or to chop up bodies. Those guys wouldn't last an hour in Philly.
As Oschino Vasquez said, "These Philly streets turned us from Boyz II Men."
This also shows how dense the Bay Area is outside the cities of SF and Oakland.
That large red area of 10,000+ppsm in Hayward is 27 miles from the City!
Great map. It clearly shows why Oaklands density averages 7k....
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