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Real quick. Brazil and Haiti are definitely Latin American nations. But they are not Hispanic nations. If the main language is of a Romance Language in America, you are considered Latin America.
the US Census doesnt see them as such. I dont know that Americans see Brazilians as Latinos. They definitely don't see Haitians as Latinos.
OMB defines "Hispanic or Latino" as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.
Brazil meets the South American part. But I don't belive they check the Census as Latino. They generally get put into white or other.
Haiti is not generally considered Latin by Latinos, Americans, or the Census.
But if they were.... Boston would be a top 5 Latin American capital in the US.
the US Census doesnt see them as such. I dont know that Americans see Brazilians as Latinos. They definitely don't see Haitians as Latinos.
OMB defines "Hispanic or Latino" as a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.
Brazil meets the South American part. But I don't belive they check the Census as Latino. They generally get put into white or other.
Haiti is not generally considered Latin by Latinos, Americans, or the Census.
But if they were.... Boston would be a top 5 Latin American capital in the US.
If Brazilians, Haitians, and Portuguese were factored them into this conversation, it would further cement Miami as the capital and it would probably put Boston at the number 5 spot behind Miami, LA, NYC, and Houston.
If Brazilians, Haitians, and Portuguese were factored them into this conversation, it would further cement Miami as the capital and it would probably put Boston at the number 5 spot behind Miami, LA, NYC, and Houston.
I kind of disagree because if you add Portuguese? Boston I really do feel- would surpass Houston. Could get even worse if youw ere including Cape Verdeans.
Portuguese people are EVERYWHERE in Boston and especially in Southeastern MA. I had so many Portuguese classmates.
Portuguese, Cape Verdean, Haitian, Hispanic, and Brazilians. There are towns and neighborhoods in Eastern MA where that feels like 80%+ of the population. Stoughton being one that comes to mind immediately, but also Taunton, Brockton, New Bedford, Hyde Park (Boston), Randolph, Fall River, Framingham, Lawrence, Revere...
I kind of disagree because if you add Portuguese? Boston I really do feel- would surpass Houston. Could get even worse if youw ere including Cape Verdeans.
Portuguese people are EVERYWHERE in Boston and especially in Southeastern MA. I had so many Portuguese classmates.
Portuguese, Cape Verdean, Haitian, Hispanic, and Brazilians. There are towns and neighborhoods in Eastern MA where that feels like 80%+ of the population. Stoughton being one that comes to mind immediately, but also Taunton, Brockton, New Bedford, Hyde Park (Boston), Randolph, Fall River, Framingham, Lawrence, Revere...
Ehhh...it would be close, but Id still say Houston unless we use the Boston CSA. If were comparing CSA to CSA, yes Boston would probably edge out Houston. If were using Urban Area or Metro Area, Houston would still be a solid number 4. Reason being is that the bulk of the Portuguese in New England is actually in the Providence metro area, not the Boston metro area.
But even if we remove Portuguese and Cabo Verde from the spectrum, but allowed Haiti and Brazil in, it would boost Boston very high on this list. Not in the top 4 but maybe a 5 or 6 spot.
Ehhh...it would be close, but Id still say Houston unless we use the Boston CSA. If were comparing CSA to CSA, yes Boston would probably edge out Houston. If were using Urban Area or Metro Area, Houston would still be a solid number 4. Reason being is that the bulk of the Portuguese in New England is actually in the Providence metro area, not the Boston metro area.
But even if we remove Portuguese and Cabo Verde from the spectrum, but allowed Haiti and Brazil in, it would boost Boston very high on this list. Not in the top 4 but maybe a 5 or 6 spot.
For something like this, cultural capitals?- yea I would go CSA. Especially considering parts of Boston CSA are only 20 miles from Boston. But parts of the MSA are 50 miles away and more sparsely populated. and in another state. MA counties are too damn big man.
For something like this, cultural capitals?- yea I would go CSA. Especially considering parts of Boston CSA are only 20 miles from Boston. But parts of the MSA are 50 miles away and more sparsely populated. and in another state. MA counties are too damn big man.
Its double sided though. I both agree and disagree. Boston's CSA extends halfway up NH and into CT, but the MSA cuts off too short. Ill always stick with Urban Areas as my favored measurement but I also get they can leave stuff off too.
Portuguese, Spanish and Filipinos don’t count. Latin America is a region and an ethnicity.
Haitians and Brazilians yes.
Latin America vs Hispanic America vs Hispanic or Lainto are all different things.
Haiti is not part of Hispanic America. At all. It is a Latin American nation.
Spaniards are considered Hispanic by the US Census.
Portuguese aren't even though they're likely more culturally similar to the Spanish and perhaps even many South American countries like Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina, or Chile than the Dominican or Haiti.
Belize is part of Latin America/Hispanic America But many many people there speak English and its the official language.
Dutch Speaking Suriname is part of Latin America. But it is considered "culturally Caribbean"
Its double sided though. I both agree and disagree. Boston's CSA extends halfway up NH and into CT, but the MSA cuts off too short. Ill always stick with Urban Areas as my favored measurement but I also get they can leave stuff off too.
The MSA cuts off short because they utilize counties and our counties are huge and totally meaningless. Town is the standard form of government.
UA is helpful for some, but not for Boston- as the UA is 92% of the Metro. So it doesn't trim much, and mostly because it excluded lots of area within itself. Like a large part of Westwood MA isn't included in the Boston UA- Westwood is 2 towns away from Boston.... only separated by Dedham.
And it includes places that are demonstrably rural. But continues to exclude nearby Nashua NH while taking in rural parts of NH.
Combined NECTA is pretty good for the larger broader trends. Slightly less extensive into NH and CT, and in turn extends into York Maine, and 1/2 other towns at the absolute tip of Maine. Overall it brings the population of the CSA down by 300k. But the standard NECTA brings the population up 115k from the MSA.
Semantics, but my point is Counties in NE are huge there's 11.6 million people in MA CT RI and 27 counties. 2 of which are tiny islands. So really only 25 counties for 11.6 M people and only like 3 county governments. In contrast, Ohio has 11.8 M people and 88 counties. Michigan has 10.5M people and 83 counties. Maryland at 6 M people has 27 counties.
If counties in NE were normal-sized you'd have much more accurate representative demographic info for MSA up there.
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Latin America vs Hispanic America vs Hispanic or Lainto are all different things.
Haiti is not part of Hispanic America. At all. It is a Latin American nation.
Spaniards are considered Hispanic by the US Census.
Portuguese aren't even though they're likely more culturally similar to the Spanish and perhaps even many South American countries like Uruguay, Paraguay, Argentina, or Chile than the Dominican or Haiti.
Belize is part of Latin America/Hispanic America But many many people there speak English and its the official language.
Dutch Speaking Suriname is part of Latin America. But it is considered "culturally Caribbean"
Agreed. but I’m not being technical. These are all man made borders so there’s no science to back a concrete definition. Just that I personally consider Latin America as a region with a unique culture set opposing North America (minus Mexico).
And for that reason. I’ve had the pleasure of working with Filipinos for a lot of my career and I’ve been surprised by how much traces of Spain shows in their langauge(s), cuisine, values and so forth. But nonetheless, Filipinos are Pacific Islanders and East/SE Asians, not Latin Americans despite some cultural connections. The same goes for Equarorial Guineans.
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