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View Poll Results: Which city is more fun and better to live in? Chicago, Illinois or New York City, New York?
Chicago, Illinois 35 37.63%
New York City, New York 58 62.37%
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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Yes, Manhattan is obviously the most expensive place in America but that doesn't mean Queens and Brooklyn are inexpensive. If middle-class people bought $600k homes, the median sales price for a home in the United States wouldn't be only $178,400.

And Brooklyn and Queens are both more 3x more expensive than Miami and 2x more expensive than Miami Beach on average. Median sales price in Miami is $220k, Miami Beach: $335k. So go ask your neighbors why they aren't living in $600k+ homes.
According to Zillow Miami Beach median is 386,000 USD. I don't make a big distinction between 500,000 and 400,000. It's about the same, or to put it in percentage terms, 25% increase.

Neither are very expensive, in both cases the middle class are basically affording half a million dollar homes, in good enough percentages (remember this is the median). A truly expensive neighborhood is Jupiter Island, where the median home price is basically 4 million.
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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According to Zillow Miami Beach median is 386,000 USD. I don't make a big distinction between 500,000 and 400,000. It's about the same, or to put it in percentage terms, 25% increase.

Neither are very expensive, in both cases the middle class are basically affording half a million dollar homes, in good enough percentages (remember this is the median). A truly expensive neighborhood is Jupiter Island, where the median home price is basically 4 million.
Median sales price in Brooklyn is $634,000 which is significantly higher than Miami Beach. In Queens it is $504,000 which is $120,000+ more than Miami Beach.

Only 10% of home sold in the U.S. last year were above $500,000. And only 2% of homes sold in the United States were $700,000+ which is around Brooklyn's median sales price. So again the vast majority of Americas can not afford homes at those levels.

And there are only 10 homes sales on Jupiter Island on any given year, so it's pretty irrelevant to this conversation. There are more $1mm+ home sales in Brooklyn than Miami btw lol Cities with the most million-dollar homes - CNNMoney
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Old 04-24-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL/Tokyo, Japan
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Median sales price in Brooklyn is $634,000 which is significantly higher than Miami Beach. In Queens it is $504,000 which is $120,000+ more than Miami Beach.
OK, so 30% more in Queens. Not a big deal. Especially since most people buy their houses on credit.

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There are more $1mm+ home sales in Brooklyn than Miami btw lol
Brooklyn alone is way bigger than Miami so it's not surprising. After NYC, and maybe tied with Los Angeles, Miami urban area has the most expensive homes sold in the USA. I don't know why you have some weird axe to grind with Miami
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: The Middle of Nowhere
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I thought Manhattan was more expensive for some reason, but 3-4k a month for a 1-bedroom is doable for everyone with a normal job. So I stand corrected.

Also half a mil for a home is expensive? Since when? Most middle class people can afford that.
Neither of my parents could afford to live in NYC with their current income. 3-4k a month, that's 36,000-48,000 a year, and that's JUST for an apartment, and JUST with one bedroom. Then again, where I live doesn't have many (if any) high paying jobs. In a small town you probably won't make a lot unless you own your own business. My mom makes less than $20,000 and my dad makes about $40,000 a year, and that's not combined if your wondering, because they're divorced. Everyone gets divorced it seems.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: The Middle of Nowhere
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I thought Manhattan was more expensive for some reason, but 3-4k a month for a 1-bedroom is doable for everyone with a normal job. So I stand corrected.

Also half a mil for a home is expensive? Since when? Most middle class people can afford that.
And half a million is cheap to you? How is $500,000 cheap? Maybe I just come from a poor community.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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And half a million is cheap to you? How is $500,000 cheap? Maybe I just come from a poor community.
$3-4k per month for a 1 BD is not normal in the vast majority of the USofA.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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And half a million is cheap to you? How is $500,000 cheap? Maybe I just come from a poor community.
Average salaries in Manhattan are over 100k. Two people making the average salary, and yeah, 500k is cheap, in that context. Average weekly wages are 3x the national average.

But "Manhattan" is not "NYC". 1.7 million people live in Manhattan. 23 million people live in the greater NYC metro area.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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And half a million is cheap to you? How is $500,000 cheap? Maybe I just come from a poor community.
Probably not. Some people just have no notion of what constitutes "middle class."

No Miami dude, $3-4K/mo for a one-bedroom is not "doable for everyone with a normal job." A "normal job" pays about that much in total take-home pay.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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Probably not. Some people just have no notion of what constitutes "middle class."

No Miami dude, $3-4K/mo for a one-bedroom is not "doable for everyone with a normal job." A "normal job" barely pays that much in total take-home pay.
Yeah, that was one of the stupidest comments I've read here in a while.
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Old 04-24-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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3-4k a month is definitely middle class in some areas. I mean, my brother pays 3k a month and he's in freakin Detroit. Upper middle class, maybe, but he's far from rich.
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