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I'll add Toronto's up and then include it in a future post. My previous compilation was nationalities and ethnicities overall, both immigrant and domestic borns.
This list is only foreign born by ethnicity and nationality.
Born in….
Afghanistan:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 10,633
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 10,630
- Chicago CSA: 393
Albanian:
- Chicago CSA: 6,262
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 963
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 0
Argentina:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 7,506
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 6,264
- Chicago CSA: 5,053
Armenia:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,725
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,322
- Chicago CSA: 351
Australia:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 6,065
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,632
- Chicago CSA: 2,198
Austria:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,671
- Chicago CSA: 1,816
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,803
Bahamas:
- Chicago CSA: 721
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 612
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 0
Bangladesh:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 15,017
- Chicago CSA: 4,127
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,026
Barbados:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,628
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 262
- Chicago CSA: 242
Belarus:
- Chicago CSA: 5,492
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,616
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,981
Belgium:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,810
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,327
- Chicago CSA: 855
Belize:
- Chicago CSA: 3,682
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,659
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 950
Bolivia:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 35,301
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,598
- Chicago CSA: 1,120
Bosnia and Herzegovina:
- Chicago CSA: 8,479
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,059
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,715
Brazil:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 11,048
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 10,486
- Chicago CSA: 4,901
Bulgaria:
- Chicago CSA: 8,659
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,683
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,319
Burma:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 12,235
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 6,954
- Chicago CSA: 2,821
Cabo Verde:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 405
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 47
- Chicago CSA: 0
Cambodia:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 14,825
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,940
- Chicago CSA: 3,117
Cameroon:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 22,407
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,637
- Chicago CSA: 1,009
Canada:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 36,732
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 18,136
- Chicago CSA: 17,030
Chile:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 7,996
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,806
- Chicago CSA: 1,128
China:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 270,660
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 66,489
- Chicago CSA: 60,313
Colombia:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 22,832
- Chicago CSA: 11,317
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 7,331
Costa Rica:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,407
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,102
- Chicago CSA: 927
Croatia:
- Chicago CSA: 4,242
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,048
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,238
Cuba:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 8,901
- Chicago CSA: 7,582
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,792
Czechoslovakia:
- Chicago CSA: 5,955
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,732
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,195
Denmark:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,037
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,482
- Chicago CSA: 962
Dominica:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 395
- Chicago CSA: 203
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 0
Dominican Republic:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 16,709
- Chicago CSA: 3,033
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,202
Ecuador:
- Chicago CSA: 16,080
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 7,890
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,319
Egypt:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 10,681
- Chicago CSA: 3,650
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,026
El Salvador:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 210,649
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 77,553
- Chicago CSA: 7,446
Eritrea:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 6,682
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,160
- Chicago CSA: 591
Ethiopia:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 45,752
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 11,004
- Chicago CSA: 4,164
Fiji:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 13,078
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 280
- Chicago CSA: 38
France:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 13,327
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 9,307
- Chicago CSA: 3,474
Germany:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 24,517
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 23,747
- Chicago CSA: 20,660
Ghana:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 26,612
- Chicago CSA: 5,775
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,235
Greece:
- Chicago CSA: 14,760
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 5,768
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,155
Grenada:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,194
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 194
- Chicago CSA: 87
Guatemala:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 55,695
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 41,921
- Chicago CSA: 23,956
Guyana:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 10,506
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 921
- Chicago CSA: 901
Haiti:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 10,553
- Chicago CSA: 4,007
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,243
Honduras:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 47,869
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 9,489
- Chicago CSA: 8,651
Hong Kong:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 55,793
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 5,624
- Chicago CSA: 5,616
Hungary:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,497
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,125
- Chicago CSA: 1,850
Ireland:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 8,974
- Chicago CSA: 7,098
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,489
India:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 240,983
- Chicago CSA: 138,057
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 125,827
Indonesia:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 9,231
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,543
- Chicago CSA: 1,330
Iran:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 32,405
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 26,020
- Chicago CSA: 7,727
Iraq:
- Chicago CSA: 13,896
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 7,280
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 6,186
Israel:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 9,294
- Chicago CSA: 5,863
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,919
Italy:
- Chicago CSA: 20,027
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 10,000
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 8,235
Jamaica:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 30,223
- Chicago CSA: 6,946
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,365
Japan:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 31,343
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 11,418
- Chicago CSA: 8,515
Jordan:
- Chicago CSA: 9,505
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,521
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,251
Kazakhstan:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,888
- Chicago CSA: 1,333
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 431
Kenya:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 5,586
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,134
- Chicago CSA: 1,797
Kuwait:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,948
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,914
- Chicago CSA: 1,030
Laos:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 11,425
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,529
- Chicago CSA: 2,762
Latvia:
- Chicago CSA: 1,163
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 779
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 754
Lebanon:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,038
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,736
- Chicago CSA: 1,908
Liberia:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 10,109
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,360
- Chicago CSA: 989
Lithuania:
- Chicago CSA: 13,285
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,753
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,605
Macedonia:
- Chicago CSA: 4,928
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 288
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 186
Malaysia:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 7,023
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,167
- Chicago CSA: 1,104\
Mexico:
- Chicago CSA: 663,796
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 614,864
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 64,978
Moldova:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,378
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,316
- Chicago CSA: 1,242
Morocco:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 5,394
- Chicago CSA: 2,551
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 885
Nepal:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 14,224
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5,738
- Chicago: 1,436
the Netherlands:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5,302
- Chicago CSA: 3,101
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,875
New Zealand:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,541
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 941
- Chicago CSA: 429
Nicaragua:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 22,708
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 11,260
- Chicago CSA: 2,086
Nigeria:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 32,025
- Chicago CSA: 12,946
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 4,702
Norway:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,727
- Chicago CSA: 838
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 669
Pakistan:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 40,021
- Chicago CSA: 27,865
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 16,039
Panama:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,869
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,423
- Chicago CSA:1,561
Peru:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 37,108
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 22,211
- Chicago CSA: 7,113
Philippines:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 293,903
- Chicago CSA: 85,517
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 59,653
Poland:
- Chicago CSA: 133,023
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 8,076
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5,692
Portugal:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 9,999
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,564
- Chicago CSA: 434
Romania:
- Chicago CSA: 13,901
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5,998
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,348
Russia:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 23,272
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 16,851
- Chicago CSA: 13,323
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 843
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 280
- Chicago CSA: 59
Saudi Arabia:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 6,339
- Chicago CSA: 3,298
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,085
Serbia:
- Chicago CSA: 6,434
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,485
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 833
Sierra Leone:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 16,794
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 539
- Chicago CSA: 151
Singaporean:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5,210
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 765
- Chicago CSA: 244
South Africa:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 4,322
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,994
- Chicago CSA: 1,304
South Korea:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 78,360
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 53,597
- Chicago CSA: 40,819
Spain:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 6,292
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 4,833
- Chicago CSA: 2,561
Sri Lanka:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,874
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,618
- Chicago CSA: 503
Sudan:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,265
- Chicago CSA: 910
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 638
Sweden:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,181
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,604
- Chicago CSA: 1,209
Switzerland:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 4,100
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,859
- Chicago CSA: 1,117
Syria:
- Chicago CSA: 7,648
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3,390
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,772
Taiwan:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 60,205
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 16,123
- Chicago CSA: 8,525
Thailand:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 15,492
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 8,113
- Chicago CSA: 5,418
Trinidad and Tobago:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 14,582
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,068
- Chicago CSA: 469
Turkey:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 5,615
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5,427
- Chicago CSA: 3,148
Ukraine:
- Chicago CSA: 23,035
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 13,918
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 10,154
Uruguay:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 2,983
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 1,049
- Chicago CSA: 569
Uzbekistan:
- Chicago CSA: 1,020
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 752
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 728
Venezuela:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 4,848
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,702
- Chicago CSA: 1,945
Vietnam:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 173,018
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 56,431
- Chicago CSA: 14,996
West Indies:
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 732
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 412
- Chicago CSA: 319
Yemen:
- San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 3,356
- Chicago CSA: 637
- Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 419
Sorry but according to MDAllstar, anytime Blacks move it's due to racism and oppression. Or is that only in the case of the West Coast?
Forgive me, but its hard to keep up with all of the double standards and hypocrisy put on the West in this thread.
Yes, thats nice but ironically the Bay Area has the second highest median income levels for Black households and families, behind DC, among the nation's 5 million+ population CSAs.
Also, as I said earlier, the Bay Area is 2nd only to New York as far as the total number of wealthy minority households, 40% more such households than DC-Baltimore.
Black people aren't moving to the burbs in the same metro areas in the west, they are leaving that entire side of the country. If people were moving out of San Fran to the burbs, nobody would be saying anything. This is an issue because black people are actually leaving the state of California altogether. The reality is, there are countless people on the forums that have talked about the hostile environment toward African Americans in the west. Check the forums on this website if you don't believe me.
I've been to 20 of the 23 largest North American cities. Toronto is the only one I found boring and underwhelming.
Toronto wasn't my cup of tea and it left me unimpressed. Mod cut: reply to post which has been deleted.
Its ok... Can't win them all.. If you do come back perhaps you could post in the Toronto forums indicating what you are interested in - what stirs your soul and perhaps we can lead you in the right direction. I've got some great travel advice from C/D posters that is very helpful in making a trip anywhere more fulfilling. Sometimes its good to be open to what local people have to say.. I didn't warm up to Barcelona on my first trip but after meeting some locals they completely changed my view of the city on subsequent visits. Each time just gets better and better than subsequent visits.
The definition of cosmopolitan is up for grabs here. Toronto is objectively the most diverse city of the group - no argument there, but in other measures, I would rank it third. D.C. and Chicago have significantly better cultural amenities, particularly high culture amenities: D.C has way better museums, and Chicago has better museums, symphonies, opera, theater. ITO the built environment Toronto is an undistinguished looking city. It has a huge skyline but very few buildings of note. It is economically insignificant compared to Chicago or the Bay Area. It's GDP is roughly half that of Chicago and less than two thirds of the Bay Area or DC. I like Toronto, but it feels provincial, huge but provincial. It has weird liquor laws. It shuts early. Sure the world is there, but it is mostly the petit bourgeois world. Except for the brutal winters, I would happily live there, and Canada is in many ways a more humane country than the U.S., but diverse is the word I would use to describe Toronto, not cosmopolitan.
I didn't get the impression on my visit to Chicago it had significantly better cultural amenities. In some areas yes in others no.. I'd give them an even ranking on musuems (D.C is on another level I would agree).. I'll give Chicago Opera and probably symphony orchestra to Chicago as well, but in theatre Toronto is a much larger theatre city. It wouldn't take much basic google researching to prove that.
As for architecture and particularly scraper architecture - well yes Chicago is grander. That is something that is just not up for debate because Chicago's booms were at a time when architecture really meant something. These days, not so much though Toronto may have more gems than you think. You'd have to thoroughly explore the city before rendering a final judgement on the matter I suppose and go just beyond scraper architecture.. Really delve into the flesh and bones of Old Toronto.
GDP is sticky because you are comparing two different countries who measure population in different ways. It would be interesting to not just compare a CSA or even MSA GDP against say a CMA GDP in Canada. A CMA is much smaller and more compact a measure than either of those.. If comparing the two, its like comparing a pineapple to an apple, completely different. I think if you used more equivalent measures they'd be more even than you think. It would also be interesting to compare median individual and family incomes as well.
As for Cosmopolitan - this is what we get as a definition
Objectively i'd say Toronto fits the cosmopolitan mold very very well.. Note where it states free from local, provincial or national ideas, prejudices or attachments, at home all over the world. Note belonging to all the world.. I'd say that Toronto and Cosmopolitan are a perfect marriage if you go by this definition.. Toronto gets a fresh infusion of people from around the world constantly.. If you don't get that or didn't experience it, you don't get or didn't experience Toronto. I'd also wager your definition of cosmopolitan, may be different than the true spirit of it which isn't just a grand old scraper or an older opera company or even a more renowned Symphony orchestra. People make a place cosmopolitan and not just an exclusive minority who attend that opera or eat at a Michelin ranked restaurant either, but people across the board in all facets of daily life as representatives of the world.
Black people aren't moving to the burbs in the same metro areas in the west, they are leaving that entire side of the country. If people were moving out of San Fran to the burbs, nobody would be saying anything. This is an issue because black people are actually leaving the state of California altogether. The reality is, there are countless people on the forums that have talked about the hostile environment toward African Americans in the west. Check the forums on this website if you don't believe me.
I don't know why you keep acting like you're some expert or knowledgeable on CA's black population. Do you live in some online world or something and take everything you read on here as reality?
It's well known to many who actually live here that the black population of older established cities/areas (Oakland, SF, South LA, etc..) have been migrating to the cheaper exurbs for a while now. There was even a story about in today's paper about long time Oakland residents (all the people they used for the story were black) moving to the far flung suburb of Antioch. You can find plenty of news stories over the years reporting the same thing, blacks moving to cheaper inland suburbs.
The actual number of blacks has actually increased in the state, their proportion of overall population is decreasing but not absolute numbers.
I'll add Toronto's up and then include it in a future post. My previous compilation was nationalities and ethnicities overall, both immigrant and domestic borns.
This list is only foreign born by ethnicity and nationality.
Born in….
Is that El Salvador number correct for DC, looks like an anomoly?
Also is this intended to be all countries? I just noticed south Pacific nations Tonga and Samoa missing and they have significant Bay Area populations.
Again, anybody moving from SF to DC isn't doing so because DC is cheap and slow.
To each his own. For someone like me, I would **never** move there to begin with it, but compared to here, DC is definitely cheaper and less hurried imo.
This seems to have rubbed you the wrong way?
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