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Thats where I totally disagree. I dont think Philly is close. I think SF is closer to Chicago than Philly is to SF.
Yea, we do completely disagree. SF and Philadelphia have some of the closest downtowns in the US and I put Philly somewhat ahead. Chicago is really different--I even like some of the better Center City neighborhoods than I like Chicago's downtown neighborhoods. SF's downtown is in the same ballpark as downtown Chicago's in the criteria listed when it comes to upscale shopping options, growth and development, restaurants, maybe vibrancy if you mostly leave out night time vibrancy, and cohesiveness depending on how you want to define it whereas the other categories are complete blowouts. So it's about half arguably close, but not necessarily for San Francisco, and about half heavily lopsided in favor of Chicago.
However, vis-a-vis Philadelphia, SF and Philadelphia's downtowns are actually very close overall and the parts where one favors the other isn't quite the giant lopsided favoring of one over the other and overall work out to be pretty even.
You'll likely see this sentiment bared out in the polls for a topic of downtown San Francisco versus downtown Philadelphia where the two will be pretty close, whereas a poll over the topic of downtown San Francisco versus downtown Chicago is going to swing heavily towards Chicago. It would probably take some pretty strong initial bias towards downtown San Francisco to not realize this.
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I swear only on here and from SF homers is where you'll find the argument that more expensive=better. SF is the most overpriced city in the country. Cool, your buildings sell for a lot of money. But does that mean your downtown is better? No. While your buildings sell for hundreds of millions of dollars, you have hordes of zombie-like homeless people wandering the streets using the city as their lavatory. SEPTA is way better than any transit in SF. Philly has the better museums and parks downtown. Center City mixes residential units with office space with restaurants and bars much better than SF does.
And still, if you disagree with me that Philly has the better downtown, grow up and stop using the example that SF's buildings are more expensive. They're more expensive because of the physical constraints of the city. In California you pay for land, not the building on the land. You can fix an ugly building (555), but you can't make more land in SF. SF is desirable and that's why prices are higher, but that doesn't make it better. In that list of most expensive office streets, some place in OC and Menlo Park and Avenue of the Stars were on it. If you think those compete for "best downtown" just because they're expensive, you need a reality check and you need to get out more and see how s****y those downtowns are.
I swear only on here and from SF homers is where you'll find the argument that more expensive=better. SF is the most overpriced city in the country. Cool, your buildings sell for a lot of money. But does that mean your downtown is better? No. While your buildings sell for hundreds of millions of dollars, you have hordes of zombie-like homeless people wandering the streets using the city as their lavatory. SEPTA is way better than any transit in SF. Philly has the better museums and parks downtown. Center City mixes residential units with office space with restaurants and bars much better than SF does.
And still, if you disagree with me that Philly has the better downtown, grow up and stop using the example that SF's buildings are more expensive. They're more expensive because of the physical constraints of the city. In California you pay for land, not the building on the land. You can fix an ugly building (555), but you can't make more land in SF. SF is desirable and that's why prices are higher, but that doesn't make it better. In that list of most expensive office streets, some place in OC and Menlo Park and Avenue of the Stars were on it. If you think those compete for "best downtown" just because they're expensive, you need a reality check and you need to get out more and see how s****y those downtowns are.
You need to return you're California card if in fact you ever were from here or lived here for that matter. San Francisco is head n shoulders above Philly in any metric. YOu posted that list!
You need to return you're California card if in fact you ever were from here or lived here for that matter. San Francisco is head n shoulders above Philly in any metric. YOu posted that list!
Lol I love that whenever I'm negative towards California, people on here assume I'm not from there. Would you like me to post my birth certificate like Obama had to? I was born at Cedars Sinai. I can show you my high school diploma from a high school in LA County. I can show you my diploma from my university in the Bay Area. Do you need to call my references/bosses at all the law firms and legal aid firms in SF and LA? Or what about the restaurants in West LA I worked for?
I posted the list of the most expensive office streets to prove a point. Avenue of the Stars is the epitome of urban office park and is not something a city should strive to be. It's a couple high rises and a failing mall surrounded by parking lots and streets wide enough to land a plane on. Nothing urban about it. No street life. Nothing going on after 5pm. Very few residential units. Sand Hill is an office park plain and simple. Newport Beach is an uppity suburb and Newport Center Drive is an office park with a mall. West Palm Beach is not some urban paradise. There are some good streets on there, but they're the exception. You really think Menlo Park's office parks make the best downtown? The point is that just because office space is expensive doesn't mean it's the best downtown. Office parks do not make good downtowns, but they're some of the most expensive in the country to rent in. Just because office buildings sell and rent for more in SF doesn't mean it has a better downtown.
You had no point it was pointless.
Don't believe you either
Lol don't be bitter that someone from CA doesn't think it's the most perfect place on Earth. I know plenty of Californians who don't plan on living there because it's some garden of Eden like the media makes it out to seem.
I just told you what my point was. You can choose to disregard my point, but I explained my point to you. Price=quality. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it is automatically and inherently better. Just because buildings sell for more in SF doesn't mean the downtown is better. Chicago has the far better downtown than SF and only someone from SF would argue otherwise. And that's become blatantly obvious on this forum; nobody except SF homers thinks that SF has a better downtown than Chicago.
Believe whatever you want. It's your opinion that SF is better and you're entitled to your opinion as are all of us who believe that Philly has the better downtown. But don't base your OPINION on something irrelevant to the quality of a downtown: the real estate prices.
Lol don't be bitter that someone from CA doesn't think it's the most perfect place on Earth. I know plenty of Californians who don't plan on living there because it's some garden of Eden like the media makes it out to seem.
I just told you what my point was. You can choose to disregard my point, but I explained my point to you. Price=quality. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it is automatically and inherently better. Just because buildings sell for more in SF doesn't mean the downtown is better. Chicago has the far better downtown than SF and only someone from SF would argue otherwise. And that's become blatantly obvious on this forum; nobody except SF homers thinks that SF has a better downtown than Chicago.
Believe whatever you want. It's your opinion that SF is better and you're entitled to your opinion as are all of us who believe that Philly has the better downtown. But don't base your OPINION on something irrelevant to the quality of a downtown: the real estate prices.
Do you understand supply and demand? There's a reason why it's expensive.
Do you understand supply and demand? There's a reason why it's expensive.
Do you understand that doesn't mean it's BETTER? Menlo Park is not BETTER than NYC. Avenue of the Stars is not BETTER than other downtowns. They're more expensive, but that does not mean better. Only the Bay Area argues that being expensive is a winning factor.
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You had no point it was pointless. 