Philadelphia v. Phoenix (difference, restaurant, beach, California)
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That's because over 35% of Phoenix is uninhabited due to mountains and desert preserves that are inside the city limits. The density of the inhabited parts of the city is around 5,800ppsm, which is around half the density of Philadelphia
Do you have a source for that FC? I'm curious if it's tracked over time in particular and by zip code would be interesting to see. The area in/around downtown Phoenix and Tempe has to be adding density at a good clip now, although I never expect it to get to Northeast levels as that is just not how we roll around here.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Do you have a source for that FC? I'm curious if it's tracked over time in particular and by zip code would be interesting to see. The area in/around downtown Phoenix and Tempe has to be adding density at a good clip now, although I never expect it to get to Northeast levels as that is just not how we roll around here.
I looked at all the Zip codes north downtown and below about Pinnacle Peak in the city limits
As someone who drives a truck, I will say your city is not truck friendly at all. I'm working in your neck of the woods now, and had to deliver cement powder to the job site at the LaBrea tar pits yesterday (have to go back today), and getting from the 10 over there and back is a PITA. Thank God I'm getting paid bank at this job, makes it worth it
As someone who only drives a car, I will say that what you truck drivers can do with a truck is pretty amazing! I see truck drivers back into alleys faster and easier than most car drivers would.
Were you delivering to the under construction Metro D line station job site across the street from the tar pits? If so, thank you for helping build out our rail system.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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As someone who only drives a car, I will say that what you truck drivers can do with a truck is pretty amazing! I see truck drivers back into alleys faster and easier than most car drivers would.
Were you delivering to the under construction Metro D line station job site across the street from the tar pits? If so, thank you for helping build out our rail system.
The site is on the north side of Wilshire, just east of the tar pits
Had an easier day today, only had to take two loads to CEMEX Fontana
COL: Phoenix (Philadelphia is getting pricey. 500k does not buy you much anymore in terms of a Single Family Home)
QOL: Philadelphia. Better K - 12 system and higher overall GDP/Wealth per Capita
Suburbs: Philadelphia. Less monotonous, more walkable and better transit access
Geographic Proximity: Philadelphia
Transportation: Tie. Philadelphia for transit. Phoenix wins for Highways.
K-12: Philadelphia. The City schools are not the best, but the suburban schools are some of the best in the nation.
Higher Eds: Philadelphia. UPenn, Villanova, Temple, Jefferson, Drexel, UDel, Princeton. (Princeton is only 45 minutes from Center City).
Economy: Toss up. Philadelphia is the larger economy. Phoenix is the faster growing one.
Arts/Culture: Philadelphia. Although Phoenix has a solid scene.
Things to do: Philadelphia.
Shopping: Phoenix for high end chains. Philadelphia for high end boutiques.
Sports: Philadelphia
Food/Cuisine: Philadelphia has more variety overall and why it pulls ahead. Phoenix has a strong Hispanic food scene though.
Outdoors: Philadelphia. But this is by preference. Some like the desert mountains and hiking. Others like the beach. I prefer the beach.
Climate: Philadelphia. But all down to preference. I prefer 4 seasons over desert heat.
Crime: Phoenix has lower violent crime. But higher property crime overall. But still wins this one.
Downtowns: Philadelphia by a landslide
Scenery: Personal preference. I prefer the lush green so I give it to Philadelphia.
Most success in next decade: Probably Phoenix for growth. Probably Philadelphia for moving beyond being the "underdog city of the NE".
Favorite thing about Phoenix: Scottsdale. Beautiful area. I enjoy it.
Favorite thing about Philadelphia: History and beautiful stone and brick architecture.
Least favorite thing about Phoenix: Summer heat and the monotonous suburban developments. It all kind of looks the same, even in the suburbs.
Least favorite thing about Philadelphia: The suburbs are great overall. Center City and outlying neighborhoods are beautiful. Some of the outlying city neighborhoods are definitely gritty. (hence the mascot).
COL: Phoenix (Philadelphia is getting pricey. 500k does not buy you much anymore in terms of a Single Family Home)
QOL: Philadelphia. Better K - 12 system and higher overall GDP/Wealth per Capita
Suburbs: Philadelphia. Less monotonous, more walkable and better transit access
Geographic Proximity: Philadelphia
Transportation: Tie. Philadelphia for transit. Phoenix wins for Highways.
K-12: Philadelphia. The City schools are not the best, but the suburban schools are some of the best in the nation.
Higher Eds: Philadelphia. UPenn, Villanova, Temple, Jefferson, Drexel, UDel, Princeton. (Princeton is only 45 minutes from Center City).
Economy: Toss up. Philadelphia is the larger economy. Phoenix is the faster growing one.
Arts/Culture: Philadelphia. Although Phoenix has a solid scene.
Things to do: Philadelphia.
Shopping: Phoenix for high end chains. Philadelphia for high end boutiques.
Sports: Philadelphia
Food/Cuisine: Philadelphia has more variety overall and why it pulls ahead. Phoenix has a strong Hispanic food scene though.
Outdoors: Philadelphia. But this is by preference. Some like the desert mountains and hiking. Others like the beach. I prefer the beach.
Climate: Philadelphia. But all down to preference. I prefer 4 seasons over desert heat.
Crime: Phoenix has lower violent crime. But higher property crime overall. But still wins this one.
Downtowns: Philadelphia by a landslide
Scenery: Personal preference. I prefer the lush green so I give it to Philadelphia.
Most success in next decade: Probably Phoenix for growth. Probably Philadelphia for moving beyond being the "underdog city of the NE".
Favorite thing about Phoenix: Scottsdale. Beautiful area. I enjoy it.
Favorite thing about Philadelphia: History and beautiful stone and brick architecture.
Least favorite thing about Phoenix: Summer heat and the monotonous suburban developments. It all kind of looks the same, even in the suburbs.
Least favorite thing about Philadelphia: The suburbs are great overall. Center City and outlying neighborhoods are beautiful. Some of the outlying city neighborhoods are definitely gritty. (hence the mascot).
How is it biased? I gave both cities credit where it is due.
I pretty much agree with your list. I like Phoenix's suburbs and think that I would prefer them, but I don't know enough about Philadelphia's to say for sure.
I pretty much agree with your list. I like Phoenix's suburbs and think that I would prefer them, but I don't know enough about Philadelphia's to say for sure.
In a way, Phoenix really doesn't have suburbs in the traditional sense, as its urban area is so uniform, with notable "nodes" of density/development in the cities of Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Tempe. That's a much more Western US style of development, which I'm sure you'd be more accustomed to as an Angeleno.
Philadelphia has what you'd refer to as very traditional, Eastern US suburbs, which tend to be far less dense than the urban core, and developed historically because of rail lines. You'll find a slew of village-style towns with tree-lined streets in the inner-suburbs, which transition to more bucolic horse-and-farmstead countryside interspersed with subdivisions.
In a way, Phoenix really doesn't have suburbs in the traditional sense, as its urban area is so uniform, with notable "nodes" of density/development in the cities of Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Tempe. That's a much more Western US style of development, which I'm sure you'd be more accustomed to as an Angeleno.
I think this is because Phoenix and it's suburbs all grew up at the same time, under the philosophies of automotive dependent planning. They all started competing for the same tax bases at the same time vs. legacy city suburbs that started siphoning tax bases away from the core after the automobile made them less attractive. I think it's why a lot of sunbelt suburbs tend to be more attractive than legacy burbs because they are more strategically planned.
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