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Your comment/point seemed serious....Can’t take sarcasm ?
Anyways, more relocating transplants from NY/NJ/CT, possibly Canada (exist, but unfamiliar with their recent relocation numbers), should help Panthers overall hockey fan attendance (that and team performance). NYR/NYI/NJD, Boston and Montreal account for only +/-8 or 9 out of 40 home games each year if we’re being honest—not half, which is what it would take to average 14K based on your (incorrect) numbers below; 2018-19 was one of their worst attendance years and I only found 4 games with attendance below 10K (oddly, NYI and NJD, and Anaheim and Dallas—see actual attendance figures in link below)...I’d definitely go to more games if I lived in Broward or Palm Beach !!
Loria sucks...maybe he will run for President for his next move.
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I guess sarcasm isn't a language you speak lol but nice smugness! (also flexing your uni? overcompensating or?) plus let's be honest, get rid of the games against Canadian teams and Boston/NYR, Panthers attendance is around 8-9K a game (or less). Also, I know who Jeffrey Loria is, no need for the extra comments.
Last edited by elchevere; 01-13-2021 at 05:52 PM..
You have to remember too, that pro sports leagues are businesses. If wins dwindle, fans start to dwindle a bit, and new buyers come knocking, teams move. I hate that it happens, but it is a reality in today's world. Just ask St Louis, Oakland and San Diego ugh.
But, this is all just hypothetical.
Going back to the original topic of this forum, I don't think Detroit would get all 4 sports teams at all. In its current city situation with losing population and abandoned neighborhoods (hey, but I get there's tons of amazing things happening in the city too), it would not be awarded 4 teams, I don't think.
Detroit would most likely get 2 or 3 total.
Today, investors and developers tend to gravitate to high growth areas, and that is unfortunately not Detroit or its metro.
BTW, on a sidenote, I love the Detroit region, and have been several times. But I don't think it is on the path to keep up with booming areas in the south and west, over the next 10 to 20 years, at all.
But Detroit is still a well known large city that is nationally recognized. An MSA of 4 million+, which is bigger than cities like Vegas, Nashville, Austin etc. Regardless of how the inner city is, the TV market (which is truly what makes money) is still large enough to support all the big 4 teams. And it being the lone alpha city in the state of Michigan also gives it a statewide reach when it comes to sports. The Lions have reach all the way up into the UP).
I believe a new league would put teams where the population centers are, and yes, Detroit, while it has its problems, is still one of them. It's not only about cities respectively, but the suburbs too.
TV market numbers are extremely misleading. Omaha’s metro population is right at 1 million. Green Bay Wisconsin is under 400,000. Yet their “media TV market” is ranked 67th while Omaha is 71st, lol. It’s silliness.
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Green Bay's television market includes Appleton's, which is part of the Fox Cities Conurbation with a little over 400,000 people. Green Bay and Appleton are separate metro areas but are a part of the same television market. And again, the Packers are identified with Green Bay, but are Wisconsin's team, more or less.
TV markets don't always correlate with metro areas. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach is one metro area, but West Palm has its own Television market separate from Miami-Fort Lauderdale's. Nielsen’s national definition of a TV household states that homes must have at least one operable TV/monitor with the ability to deliver video via traditional means of antennae, cable set-top-box or satellite receiver and/or with a broadband connection, so no, that isn't going to coincide with the number of people in a metropolitan area.
As for Nebraska, the entire state has a hair under 2 Million people, so I don't see a major league sports team coming there anytime soon. I'm sure Nebraskans care far more about the Huskers than they do any pro sports team.
But Detroit is still a well known large city that is nationally recognized. An MSA of 4 million+, which is bigger than cities like Vegas, Nashville, Austin etc. Regardless of how the inner city is, the TV market (which is truly what makes money) is still large enough to support all the big 4 teams. And it being the lone alpha city in the state of Michigan also gives it a statewide reach when it comes to sports. The Lions have reach all the way up into the UP).
I believe a new league would put teams where the population centers are, and yes, Detroit, while it has its problems, is still one of them. It's not only about cities respectively, but the suburbs too.
Detroit isn't an Alpha city, but otherwise, you're spot on. Detroit also has the benefit of being able to pull an additional 1/2 million people from SW Ontario as well to support its teams. And even if the sunbelt cities are growing at a faster rate, they're not going to catch up to Detroit any time soon.
As I said, I just didn't get the logic that a CSA with 2.1 million people being able to support 4 teams yet a metro with 5.3 million could only support 3. In fact, I also think Detroit could support a MLS team too, as proven by the organization's success in Minneapolis.
Detroit isn't an Alpha city, but otherwise, you're spot on. Detroit also has the benefit of being able to pull an additional 1/2 million people from SW Ontario as well to support its teams. And even if the sunbelt cities are growing at a faster rate, they're not going to catch up to Detroit any time soon.
As I said, I just didn't get the logic that a CSA with 2.1 million people being able to support 4 teams yet a metro with 5.3 million could only support 3. In fact, I also think Detroit could support a MLS team too, as proven by the organization's success in Minneapolis.
You probably get people from the Toledo area/NW Ohio too. So, you’re probably talking about 6.5 million people when adding adjacent areas.
Detroit isn't an Alpha city, but otherwise, you're spot on. Detroit also has the benefit of being able to pull an additional 1/2 million people from SW Ontario as well to support its teams. And even if the sunbelt cities are growing at a faster rate, they're not going to catch up to Detroit any time soon.
As I said, I just didn't get the logic that a CSA with 2.1 million people being able to support 4 teams yet a metro with 5.3 million could only support 3. In fact, I also think Detroit could support a MLS team too, as proven by the organization's success in Minneapolis.
As you mentioned, Detroit anchors an MSA of over 4 million, but also a TV market (something that is even more critical than MSA size for sports teams) that is twice as big also. I don't think that poster realizes how much money the contracts RSNs pump into sports teams (everything besides the NFL and college sports).
You probably get people from the Toledo area/NW Ohio too. So, you’re probably talking about 6.5 million people when adding adjacent areas.
Plus Flint and Lansing, so it's probably closer to 7.5 million.
As you mentioned upthread, I don't think enough people are giving credit to adjacent metros. Those definitely help add to the size of either TV markets, or they would be additional markets that those games would be shown on, which adds to the size of the fan base.
As much as like the little guys like Buffalo (and also Green Bay), there are about 10 metro areas in the US that have more population than Buffalo, and most are usually more prosperous. Even with the Canadian "gravy" from across the border, it's hard to believe that Buffalo would make the cut if the NFL were built from scratch today.
Buffalo used to be a much more significant city on a national scale in the US.
As for Nebraska, the entire state has a hair under 2 Million people, so I don't see a major league sports team coming there anytime soon. I'm sure Nebraskans care far more about the Huskers than they do any pro sports team.
Likely not. But not because the Omaha metro and surrounding area doesn’t have the population base to support pro sports..nor because Omahans and Nebraskans care too much about Husker football. That ship sailed with NU’s past 20 years of irrelevance and futility in college football..
The real reason would be lack of corporate support and sponsorship. Omaha, much like Indianapolis several decades ago, has morphed into an “Event Town”.. Corporate sponsorship of these events are plentiful. But when it comes to a top tier professional sports franchise..not so much. Omaha ticks all the boxes in currently having most AAA level minor league pro sports. But it would be nice to have that support to try and bring one major in (NHL, Major League Soccer or NBA). But with the lack of enthusiastic corporate leaders, it’s a pipe dream at best. Oklahoma City should thank their lucky stars for this as that’s the ONLY way and reason the Thunder currently play there.
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