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Actually the first 2 addresses were right around the corner on either side of the precinct house and the other 2 I ventured farther out to see where the neighborhood might possibly change, which it didn't really. According to the web page, the 46th Precinct house is on Ryer between 180th and 181st.
And either way, visually online the neighborhood doesn't look like anything too scary, which is what it was being sold as. So in the end, that's a good thing.
I think the other side of the Grand Concourse it gets a little worse and of course heading south.
The neighborhood does stay decent looking. I have not lived around there for years but I still think it is not someplace you want to be taking a stroll at night if you don't live there.
I had moved up to the NE Bronx and lived there until 1990 or so and there were many areas that looked OK, at least to me, but I have been shot and stabbed in those same areas that looked OK.
I didn't exactly avoid trouble though so it is not the norm.
I worked with someone from North Dakota in Chicago last year, including summer, and he was pretty astounded by these stories. Granted, Chicago has its rep, but living here gave him a different perspective.
This summer has been pretty bad I think. Last weekend there were 63 shootings with 11 murders. And the one story I remember is the 3 teenagers being gunned down by gang members with assault rifles. I think it was south shore.
Man that's terrible. Good thing only 11 died out of that many, but that's wild. I hope Chicago calms down with all that soon. At least its confined to certain neighborhoods for the most part, right? If not that would suck.
I think the other side of the Grand Concourse it gets a little worse and of course heading south.
The neighborhood does stay decent looking. I have not lived around there for years but I still think it is not someplace you want to be taking a stroll at night if you don't live there.
I had moved up to the NE Bronx and lived there until 1990 or so and there were many areas that looked OK, at least to me, but I have been shot and stabbed in those same areas that looked OK.
I didn't exactly avoid trouble though so it is not the norm.
Look out Mike! If you say too much you're going to be accused again of not actually being from NY! Haha j/p. They just always seem to jump on you and do that tho.
Yeah I don't doubt that its not particularly safe. I mean, its rep has to come from somewhere, and I know that even though it has gotten a lot better its still no picnic. I just don't think visually from pics online that it looks like much, even in most other pics I've seen. Brick building don't equate danger to me; if anything they usually indicate businesses of some sort out here in SF. Bad areas here look different than that, so to me all I was seeing was empty, clean looking blocks. I think I'd have to grow up around dangerous brick buildings to find them intimidating in themselves.
But at the same time, I know not to underestimate a hood just b/c it doesn't LOOK bad. The Fillmore here in SF is among the most dangerous neighborhoods in the City, but you could drive right through it and not even realize at first. Hanging around for little bit you'd be much more likely to find out, but aesthetically it doesn't look too bad. And I'm aware that the Bronx is supposed to have some really bad hoods, so I'm not doubting it. I just didn't get anything from googling it as instructed.
Sorry to hear you've been both shot and stabbed there, man! No wonder you left.
Yea, last year there were 36 shootings in a single weekend. That is not 36 shootouts reported, thats 36 people being shot.
If you scroll down the link it you can see a map of the shootings. It was a wild summer and the city was leading the country in homocides all the way up into December before NYC edged it out. NYC is 3x the size of Chicago and LA has over a million more people.
And then there are cities with 400,000 with nearly 200 some murders... Chicago is bad.. but there are cities where almost the entire city is a warzone.
Compare that to now, when the Double Rock projects have had just 3 murders in the past two years combined.
Yeah its gotten much better over there thankfully. But its still pretty bad.
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2/3 of Hunters Point had 1/3 of the city's murders, and there were 99 murders committed in SF in 1994...so 30+ happened in HP. In 1993 130 people were killed in SF, so I'm sure HP's murder rate was even higher then.
I'm pretty sure HP has stayed consistent with having around the 25-30 range most years that SF had around the 100 range. Last year was a particularly good year where it only had 18.
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Chicago was on a whole other level though it seems. SF may have been able to match that kind of murder rate, but only in comparatively small neighborhoods or areas of neighborhoods...there's nothing on the same scale as Chicago (of course SF is way smaller).
Man that's terrible. Good thing only 11 died out of that many, but that's wild. I hope Chicago calms down with all that soon. At least its confined to certain neighborhoods for the most part, right? If not that would suck.
Most of the violence is confined to neighborhoods on the south and west sides. Some of these neighborhoods are absolute war zones but you'll never read about shootouts and such in the news.
Most of the violence is confined to neighborhoods on the south and west sides. Some of these neighborhoods are absolute war zones but you'll never read about shootouts and such in the news.
That makes me mad because things like that never make the news in New York City and I assume many other cities as well. Its like they don't care if someone died because they'd rather spend 15 minutes on something stupid like "the hottest new restaurant".
And then there are cities with 400,000 with nearly 200 some murders... Chicago is bad.. but there are cities where almost the entire city is a warzone.
That is a valid point, but I think there is something worth mentioning in line with it. Let's take a look at the cities with the highest murder rates. Off the top of my head I'll go with New Orleans, Baltimore, DC, St. Louis, Detroit, etc...
Now what do all of these cities have in common? The answer is a very high percentage of blacks. I believe Detroit is around 80%, Bmore 65%, not sure on the others. To avoid being seen as racist, I see it as a class, not a race problem. However that is not related to the thread topic so I'm not going to go further with it.
Chicago is what, 25% black? 30%? That's is half the percentage, and in some cases much less, than these other violent cities. Given that the thread is the worst neighborhood, not city, I think when you consider the demographics Chicago could very well be home to the most dangerous places, as I think it's murder rate is high for such demographics.
I'm curious to know what the murder rate would be for just the south and west sides of Chicago. You narrow the violence to a far smaller population, as the north side is far more dense than the other 2 with few murders (anyone actually know how many?). Anyway, I'd guess it would have been murder capital for the past 40 years with little competition.
And then there are cities with 400,000 with nearly 200 some murders... Chicago is bad.. but there are cities where almost the entire city is a warzone.
Compare that to Englewood on the southside. In 91 they had 81 murders in 4 months with a population of 40k. Thats 202/100k in 4 months. Even if you assume that there were only 80 more murders throughout the rest of the year, thats a rate of over 400 per 100k. This was not the only place in Chicago like that.
That's pretty bad. Where did you find that? And were most of them gang-related?
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Haha j/p. They just always seem to jump on you and do that tho.