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LMAO my hometown of Harlem is definately not safe or the best is it a hellhole? Not anymore but its still a dangerous place much worse than the good ol american suburb of compton
Compton has 4 times the murder rate in Harlem, twice the rate of rape, close to double the rate of robbery, and about 4 times the rate of assault. Harlem's not even close to Compton in terms of danger.
And while we're on the subject, take a look at how closely LA and Compton match up against some of the boroughs individually to make up somewhat for the size difference. This allows NYC to be the smaller entity for once (vs. LA) for comparison purposes, as well as the bigger one (vs. Compton).
Here's a comparison of annual violent crime rates and raw numbers:
Manhattan (population 1,537,195)
total violent crimes: 12,217
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 7.75
crime index (100 being the safest): 33 (This city is safer than 33% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 129
murder: 125/rate: 0.08
rape: 313/rate: 0.20
robbery: 5,344/rate: 3.39
assault: 6,435/rate: 4.08
Bronx (population 1,332,650)
total violent crimes: 13,678
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 9.80
crime index (100 being the safest): 24 (This city is safer than 24% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 102
murder: 140/rate: 0.10
rape: 351/rate: 0.25
robbery: 5,984/rate: 4.29
assault: 7,205/rate: 5.16
Brooklyn (population 2,465,326)
total violent crimes: 17,520
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 6.94
crime index (100 being the safest): 33 (This city is safer than 33% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 144
murder: 179/rate: 0.07
rape: 449/rate: 0.18
robbery: 7,664/rate: 3.04
assault: 9,228/rate: 3.65
Los Angeles (population 3,694,834)
total violent crimes: 42,828
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 11.59
crime index (100 being the safest): 16 (This city is safer than 16% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 86
murder: 518/rate: 0.14
rape: 1,141/rate: 0.31
robbery: 14,190/rate: 3.84
assault: 26,979/rate: 7.30
Compton (population 93,226 - in this case since these are annual rates)
total violent crimes: 1,564
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 16.78
crime index (100 being the safest): 17 (This city is safer than 17% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 60
murder: 39/rate: 0.42
rape: 28/rate: 0.30
robbery: 466/rate: 5.00
assault: 1,031/rate: 11.06
I left out Queens and Staten b/c they were both significantly safer than the other 3.
For someone who claims to visit LA 4 to 5 times a year and knows the streets there, you don't seem to have to firm a grasp on the levels of danger there compared to what exists in NYC. I understand you find your hometown to be scarier, but the actual levels of danger that exist there are not nearly as bad as what exists in LA.
I did find this statement in regards to how much Harlem has improved (despite what you'd like us all to believe):
"In 2000, only 1,700 robberies were reported. There have been similar changes in all categories of crimes tracked by the New York City Police Department. In the 32nd Precinct, for example, in Central Harlem, between 1993 and 2004, the murder rate dropped 68%, the rape rate dropped 70%, the robbery rate dropped 60%, burglary dropped 81%, and the total number of crime complaints dropped 62%. The crime rate in Harlem in 2005 is comparable to that in wealthy, white neighborhoods in other American cities, such as Santa Monica, California."
I came across this when trying to find out exactly HOW BAD Harlem actually is, like you claim it is. It may have been in the past, but it sure isn't anymore.
LMAO are you serious saying that NYC cats have better chances of getting out the hood than people in LA NYC has the some of the poorest and most dangerous hoods in the country where you see kids 13 and 14 years old running around at 3 and 4am sticking up yuppies and stealing food from bodegas just to eat. Now about the NY criminals are loud is just hilarious although NYC criminals are somewhat loud in their videos they are nowhere near as loud as LA gangs are in their videos for example watch these 2 videos and tell me which group is running around and popping off just for the camera.
Actually I think the NYC dudes are poppin off at the mouth more than the CPT ones, but both are pretty loud and annoying. But the repeated, "ain't no Rodney Kings here, we bust back," crap is BS when he's saying it into the camera so the cops can't hear and when NYC had 2 situations somewhat similar to Rodney King and nothing happened at all, he's doing nothing more than bumping his gums.
As for the opportunities available to youths in each area, no city offers more opportunity than NYC. And like you said, youths there can go out at night and stick up yuppies; how many yuppies do you think pass through Compton for these dudes to rob? In most cases someone living in a house is better off than someone living in projects, but this is not always true either. I'll explain that later if you don't know what I mean.
Supposedly the poverty is worse in parts of NYC than it is in LA. Overall this may be true. But that doesn't mean that NYC is somehow less safe than LA as a result. Delano, CA is also a very poor city and I would guess just by looking that its much poorer than Compton. Delano is lightyears ahead of Compton in terms of safety though. My point is, one place may be poorer than the other, but if a place is more hostile and violent it is more dangerous. NYC is safer than LA, and Compton.
And if you want examples of NYC gangmembers/hood people yappin for the camera vs. their LA counterparts, here are some other examples:
Now although abandoned buildings dont kill people they are signs of neighborhoods in distress and South Central LA doesnt have many or as many as NYC (which doesnt have nearly as many as it used to)
True, but when people are talking about how "bad" certain NYC neighborhoods are they often reference how many crumbling buildings there are. (Of course I have also read NYers before with the POV that parts of Detroit and East St. Louis are not so scary b/c they mostly filled with empty rundown houses and not that many people. Funny how it happens that way, huh?) And the strongest point you guys usually have to argue is that LA has sun and palm trees so it can't be that bad. LA has poor people with guns and anger, and that's all it needs to make it a dangerous place.
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Originally Posted by KRS88
so what this tells me is the motive of LA gangs is incredibly stupid and their just killing other people for litteraly colors I mean seriously alot of these LA bangers dont have a purpose to become gang bangers, In Nyc most of the criminals are forced into the lifestyle because they are so poor they have no other options to make money and they have to go out and steal food from supermarkets and rob people and alot of LA criminals havent experienced that.
Man do you ever got this twisted. The motive for NYC gangs is even stupider and THEY are just killing other people literally for colors. The only thing is, they didn't grow up with decades of this lifestyle. They saw how much turmoil this idiocy caused in LA and Chicago, AND THEN copied and adopted it. There may be NYC hustlers that have to do what they have to do to get by, I'm not questioning that. But the peer pressure to join gangs in LA hoods is so far beyond what it is in NYC its not even comparable. If you're from an LA hood, you either rep it or the hood turns on you. And if you go to another neighborhood, you're automatically guilty by association whether you wanna bang your hood or not. Its not optional for the kids that grow up in these conditions there. In NYC maybe street life is unavoidable for some, but gangbanging is for the VAST majority.
The reality described here is non-existent in LA hoods. In LA you have gangsters like this dude (Bloodhound at 2:45), and the reality is as they explain it:
These dudes have front and back yards, Living in houses with palm trees on the street. What are they mad for? NYC is just all around gritty. Pissy elevators, dirty buildings, graffiti (etc) On the most basic of levels you can see why new york hoods are the way they are, not so much with LA
La has nice weather, front and backyards and palm trees. I really dont see the motivation other than just being misguided youths
I think that is the real issue, that some of you simply do not see it. The motivation is that its a lifestyle that is imposed on them as long as they live and grow up in that environment. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but the rule unfortunately ends up applying to the majority. Especially when certain gangs are warring. Its a horrible, horrible thing, but it is fact in LA.
I can see why you have the perspective you do from looking at things on the surface, b/c your question is valid: what is there to be mad about if you live in a house in an environment many would think of as fit for vacationing in. The thing is, if you grow up on a block that has crackhouses, whorehouses, gun battles and people from other neighborhoods coming through at random and attacking you if you get caught walking around by yourself, while at home you have no dad and a mom strung out on crack who has to split food stamps between you, her and your 4 siblings, how much would those palm trees, that lawn and the nice weather matter to you??
These dudes aren't "mad" for no reason, and this gang environment didn't just spring up overnight. If you're genuinely interested, I'd recommend checking out the books "Blue Rage, Black Redemption" and "Monster" by Stanley Tookie Williams and Sanyika Shakur (Kody Scott) respectively. It's actually really interesting and they're both really good books.
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Originally Posted by K.O.N.Y
And if anything it was the fools from la that started getting on videos talking about gangster this gangster that. NWA made that cool back in the late eighties. New york dudes wasnt on it like that.
This is very true. NYC dudes were more into the music and some were into the political thing. But its also reflective of the lifestyles in each city. LA's whole gangster style developed before hip hop even existed and it dominated the lives of those who lived in the hoods there. Maybe not nerds, maybe not some super-gifted atheletes or people that had other talents, and maybe not the rare kids that naturally had their heads on straight. But the majority of inner city youth in LA were into that lifestyle, and still are. And so the majority of the hip hop that came from LA reflected that.
Dudes from NYC on the other hand were either into more positive, intelligent things musically, or they expressed themselves differently regarding hood life. The hood gangster image wasn't really NYC's thing back then, but hood life and hood politics were. Its just two completely different lifestyles from two places whose residents had many similar struggles in life. Both sides valued different things.
Right new york used hip hop as a tool to stop gang violence. Gang culture was very much apart of new york before hip hop aswell- the savage seven, deceps,black spades etc. But hip hop got the focus off that, so new york has backtracked in a way.
BTW, Washington Heights, Corona, Coney Island, and Canarsie are not that serious when it comes to crime unless your are a wimp.
Yeah, none of those areas are tough.
Wash Heights is actually half yuppie. The Dominican part in the east isn't that rough.
Corona is just typical Queens immigrants from everywhere. Not tough at all.
Coney Island has a couple of projects, but most of it is old folks and Russian immigrants. Not tough (except maybe a little in the projects).
Canarsie isn't tough at all. It's semi-suburban in parts, and middle class West Indians. It's where Carribean folks buy homes (as well as many Jews). Just boring, really.
Compton has 4 times the murder rate in Harlem, twice the rate of rape, close to double the rate of robbery, and about 4 times the rate of assault. Harlem's not even close to Compton in terms of danger.
And while we're on the subject, take a look at how closely LA and Compton match up against some of the boroughs individually to make up somewhat for the size difference. This allows NYC to be the smaller entity for once (vs. LA) for comparison purposes, as well as the bigger one (vs. Compton).
Here's a comparison of annual violent crime rates and raw numbers:
Manhattan (population 1,537,195)
total violent crimes: 12,217
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 7.75
crime index (100 being the safest): 33 (This city is safer than 33% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 129
murder: 125/rate: 0.08
rape: 313/rate: 0.20
robbery: 5,344/rate: 3.39
assault: 6,435/rate: 4.08
Bronx (population 1,332,650)
total violent crimes: 13,678
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 9.80
crime index (100 being the safest): 24 (This city is safer than 24% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 102
murder: 140/rate: 0.10
rape: 351/rate: 0.25
robbery: 5,984/rate: 4.29
assault: 7,205/rate: 5.16
Brooklyn (population 2,465,326)
total violent crimes: 17,520
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 6.94
crime index (100 being the safest): 33 (This city is safer than 33% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 144
murder: 179/rate: 0.07
rape: 449/rate: 0.18
robbery: 7,664/rate: 3.04
assault: 9,228/rate: 3.65
Los Angeles (population 3,694,834)
total violent crimes: 42,828
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 11.59
crime index (100 being the safest): 16 (This city is safer than 16% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 86
murder: 518/rate: 0.14
rape: 1,141/rate: 0.31
robbery: 14,190/rate: 3.84
assault: 26,979/rate: 7.30
Compton (population 93,226 - in this case since these are annual rates)
total violent crimes: 1,564
violent crimes per 100,000 residents: 16.78
crime index (100 being the safest): 17 (This city is safer than 17% of the cities in the US)
chances of becoming a victim: 1 in 60
murder: 39/rate: 0.42
rape: 28/rate: 0.30
robbery: 466/rate: 5.00
assault: 1,031/rate: 11.06
I left out Queens and Staten b/c they were both significantly safer than the other 3.
For someone who claims to visit LA 4 to 5 times a year and knows the streets there, you don't seem to have to firm a grasp on the levels of danger there compared to what exists in NYC. I understand you find your hometown to be scarier, but the actual levels of danger that exist there are not nearly as bad as what exists in LA.
I did find this statement in regards to how much Harlem has improved (despite what you'd like us all to believe):
"In 2000, only 1,700 robberies were reported. There have been similar changes in all categories of crimes tracked by the New York City Police Department. In the 32nd Precinct, for example, in Central Harlem, between 1993 and 2004, the murder rate dropped 68%, the rape rate dropped 70%, the robbery rate dropped 60%, burglary dropped 81%, and the total number of crime complaints dropped 62%. The crime rate in Harlem in 2005 is comparable to that in wealthy, white neighborhoods in other American cities, such as Santa Monica, California."
I came across this when trying to find out exactly HOW BAD Harlem actually is, like you claim it is. It may have been in the past, but it sure isn't anymore.
Harlem is 3.3 Sq Miles and Compton is 7.81 sq miles so your chance of being a victim of crime is higher due to the extreme density of Harlem.
Harlem is 3.3 Sq Miles and Compton is 7.81 sq miles so your chance of being a victim of crime is higher due to the extreme density of Harlem.
Crimes per square mile doesn't make as much sense as crimes per capita. In fact, this is likely why you have the misconception that Harlem is somehow rougher than Compton. To an individual, it is more important if the person's chances of being harmed is higher as opposed to the likelihood that someone else within a one mile radius will be harmed.
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NYC has the some of the poorest and most dangerous hoods in the country where you see kids 13 and 14 years old running around at 3 and 4am sticking up yuppies and stealing food from bodegas just to eat. Now about the NY criminals are loud is just hilarious although NYC criminals are somewhat loud in their videos they are nowhere near as loud as LA gangs are in their videos for example watch these 2 videos and tell me which group is running around and popping off just for the camera.
