Battle of "number four" US cities:SF, DC, Houston or Boston? (live, state)

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by SouthmoreAve

All in favor of bringing back the new skylines threads, and capping new Houston threads, say aye. Aye!

I am game - maybe we can cap them at only discussions of buildings under 600 ft

[BacktoBlue]

my list in order

DC
Boston
Houston
San Francisco

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by tmac9wr

I found that study which I referred to earlier. Here's a link to it, and I'll post some info on a few downtowns.

City; Employment Population; Land Area (sq miles); Density

New York City; 1,736,900; 7.82; 222,100
Chicago; 541,500; 3.36; 161,200
Washington DC; 382,400; 2.30; 166,300
San Francisco-San Jose; 305,600; 2.34; 130,600
Boston; 257,000; 1.23; 208,900
Philadelphia; 220,100; 1.71; 128,700

Houston; 153,400; 1.53; 100,300
Atlanta; 129,800; 2.17; 59,800
Dallas-FW; 79,900; 0.67; 119,300

One interesting fact: One-third of all the nation's transit work trips are to the 5 largest downtown areas (NYC, Chi, DC, SF, Bos)

They are defined by cross streets, mostly as defined by the individual muncipality. For Chicago I think it is the loop bascially and would exclude the Sears tower (or whatever they call it) and for NY it is basically the immeadiate WS area. So both those cities have far more. On residential, yes it is included but some are more or less focused on Commercial, as an example Philly and SF are more residential integrated in these area estimates, Boston is slightly more commercial, NY, Chicago, and DC are almost exclusively commercial in these zones but these don't give the whole pic for commercial real estate. The sunbelter numbers do not include their second/third hubs in these numbers, Philly excludes area East of broad etc.

and on the space before Houston, as it should be

On the topic, DC is a top 4, which the remainder are not

5-7 excludes one and is between SF/Philly/BOS
8-10 excludes two and is between ATL/DAL/HOU

[SouthmoreAve]

Originally Posted by tmac9wr

I found that study which I referred to earlier. Here's a link to it, and I'll post some info on a few downtowns.

City; Employment Population; Land Area (sq miles); Density

New York City; 1,736,900; 7.82; 222,100
Chicago; 541,500; 3.36; 161,200
Washington DC; 382,400; 2.30; 166,300
San Francisco-San Jose; 305,600; 2.34; 130,600
Boston; 257,000; 1.23; 208,900
Philadelphia; 220,100; 1.71; 128,700

Houston; 153,400; 1.53; 100,300
Atlanta; 129,800; 2.17; 59,800
Dallas-FW; 79,900; 0.67; 119,300

One interesting fact: One-third of all the nation's transit work trips are to the 5 largest downtown areas (NYC, Chi, DC, SF, Bos)

Downtown Houston has over 150,000 people working there by 2009 figures. Fact Sheet According to the Downtown Houston Management District.

And those numbers are from 2000, so I'd expect those aren't accurate number to date, but i guess that was the only source you found with all the cities' employment numbers(?).

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by SouthmoreAve

Downtown Houston has over 150,000 people working there by 2009 figures. Fact Sheet According to the Downtown Houston Management District.

And those numbers are from 2000, so I'd expect those aren't accurate number to date, but i guess that was the only source you found with all the cities' employment numbers(?).

Hospitals/Municipal/Institution employment is not included in the sq footage. As an example UPENN (between hospital and the school) employ close to 200K in downtown Philly but none are included in these figures of sq footage etc.

[SouthmoreAve]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

Hospitals/Municipal/Institution employment is not included in the sq footage. As an example UPENN (between hospital and the school) employ close to 200K in downtown Philly but none are included in these figures of sq footage etc.

Hmmm, well I doubt theres enough hospital/municipal/inst. employment in DT Houston to cover 50,000 additional people, but sure ok.

[blkgiraffe]

Originally Posted by kidphilly

They are defined by cross streets, mostly as defined by the individual muncipality. For Chicago I think it is the loop bascially and would exclude the Sears tower (or whatever they call it) and for NY it is basically the immeadiate WS area. So both those cities have far more. On residential, yes it is included but some are more or less focused on Commercial, as an example Philly and SF are more residential integrated in these area estimates, Boston is slightly more commercial, NY, Chicago, and DC are almost exclusively commercial in these zones but these don't give the whole pic for commercial real estate. The sunbelter numbers do not include their second/third hubs in these numbers, Philly excludes area East of broad etc.

and on the space before Houston, as it should be

On the topic, DC is a top 4, which the remainder are not

5-7 excludes one and is between SF/Philly/DC
8-10 excludes two and is between ATL/DAL/HOU

You've yet to explain why Philly belongs above Houston and Boston.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by Awesome Danny

In your opinion Phillies fan! In your opinion.

And I'm also in the motion for a ban on Houston threads. So that's three so far, anyone else?

Well the post was very Dense - he was just being mindful to the type of development preferred

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by SouthmoreAve

Hmmm, well I doubt theres enough hospital/municipal/inst. employment in DT Houston to cover 50,000 additional people, but sure ok.

And you also said the numbers were ten years old, so that may also account for it, the other thing is City numbers themseleves tend to inflat. I believe the earlier post were from real estate data

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

You've yet to explain why Philly belongs above Houston and Boston.

I didn't say Boston but could make a case and on Houston as well. But a topic for another thread

but honestly to me for as great and growing city as Houston is, reading it among the thread 4, that sesame street plays in my head "one of these people doen't look like the other"