Upper South vs Deep South.... (best, map, life, live)

[Steve-o]

Southlander, Im an ex TN native (Clarksville). ;-)

[vasinger]

Originally Posted by GoPadge

That would be because Maryland and Virgina are both border states. Maryland was a former Southern state that has become more Northern.

Kentucky is a border state as well.

[vasinger]

Originally Posted by Dingler

I think places like Northern VA, Raleigh, Atlanta, Charlotte and most of Florida are closer in culture to New Jersey than the South.

I don't think New Jersey. I would say more like those are Southern-Lite areas that are transient and have people from all over.

Having lived in northern virginia and visited new jersey and points north, I don't feel its the same at all.

[holloway1010]

The deep south is more cultural. I don't think Louisiana,Florida, or Texas should be classified with the deep south since they have cultures all their own.

[dsv1496]

Originally Posted by holloway1010

The deep south is more cultural. I don't think Louisiana,Florida, or Texas should be classified with the deep south since they have cultures all their own.

I would exclude Texas and Florida as well, but not Louisiana. That is the as much the deep south as Mississippi and Alabama..

[GraniteStater]

The Upper South would also include a good portion of Missouri as well.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by Plains10

The Upper South would also include a good portion of Missouri as well.

Let me fine-tune that. The Upper South would be about 25% of Missouri. The latitude of Cape Girardeau is about as far north as I would extend the Upper South. The rest is a transition zone between the South and Midwest up to the Northern half of Missouri which is the Midwest. The further north you go, the more Midwestern it is. The further south you go, the more Dixie it is. I would normally not include Missouri in the Upper South simply because it's mostly above the Mason-Dixon and the South dominates only a minor portion of the state. Around the 36 degree latitude line is what I would define as the approximate upper boundary for the Upper South in Missouri. Southeast Missouri I would say belongs in the Upper South...that part of Missouri shares more commonalities with Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas than it does with Illinois.

[ajf131]

I would also argue that Eastern Oklahoma and Eastern Texas fit the profile of the Upper South even though Texas is at the latitude of the Deep Southern states. I say East Texas because it's not quite as Southern as the Deep Southern states....Oklahoma and Texas have very western elements to them since they technically are also Southern Plains States.

[ColdCanadian]

Originally Posted by M TYPE X

M TYPE X Rule of Thumb on Southness: Deep Southness is directly proportional to the quantity of Spanish moss and inversely proportional to desirability of the local weather in summer.

You post made me laugh...

The furthest south I've been in summer was around Hilton Head Island, SC.
The moss there is very thick but the summer weather was not bad at all:

When I was there it was 97 F everyday,
cooling to 72-75 F by sunrise with moderate humidity,
somewhere around 40-50% in the afternoons with occaisional breezes.

Even though that equals a heat index of 105-110 F,
to me the sun just felt distinctly but not excessively hot,
while the air felt just barely not-dry.

What's undesireable about that?

[Louisvilleslugger]

Originally Posted by vasinger

Kentucky is a border state as well.

Kentucky is overall a Southern state.