10-19-2011, 08:10 PM
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What if he waited, didn't kill any and they killed people in the process? What would people be saying about the guy then? Just curious about what would've occured if a kid was walking to a friends house near by and was killed by one of those animals?
As sad as it is to imagine a child being attacked by one of these animals, often it's only situations like something bad happening to a child that that really GET people's attention so that they will get up off their couches and TAKE ACTION about unsafe situations in their community and county.
It's too bad people who knowingly did nothing about this situation only cared about the life of others, including the animals, after all these animals have been killed.
Ohio, get with the program and contact your governor and legislature, and demand change. You are a state with a marvelous history and much to be proud of. Get moving.
10-19-2011, 08:14 PM
Location: Ohio
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they tried to tranquilize the animals, wouldn't it not work right away? Couldn't the animals have ran off, passed out for however long, then come around again and possibly harm someone? Yes, that may seem like a ridiculous question but I always heard tranquilizing isn't instant like the movies project.
10-19-2011, 08:21 PM
Location: Yucaipa, California
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I bet the hick sheriff & his deputys had a field day killing these animals. Why the owner was allowed to have so many animals ill never understand. The owner let the animals loose (unlocked cages) & killed himself. The footage i saw on tv was depressing. Why the hell did they kill a giraff ?
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10-19-2011, 08:23 PM
Location: Cleveland Suburbs
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they tried to tranquilize the animals, wouldn't it not work right away? Couldn't the animals have ran off, passed out for however long, then come around again and possibly harm someone? Yes, that may seem like a ridiculous question but I always heard tranquilizing isn't instant like the movies project.
Exactly, no matter what way it would have turned out, you would have had people complain about the issue. I guess this issue is better than the second one of someone being killed.
Here's my thought though. lol I am going to be so extremly busy this coming week with work, I guess I am just avoiding it for one more night and learning more about this story as it comes about. With my job I pick out the little things in the big picture. I already posted this, but North America's, and one of the world's largest conservations for endangered species in located in this very county!!!! As some were complaining earlier, they wouldn't be able to transport them to zoos througout the state, but sending some of them here would have been the best solution they could have had in my opinion. This place is housing animals from not just a state and national level, but animals that are endangered from Africa (where most of these exotic animals were from). It is well over 9,100 acres of conservation for these animals to roam around in and be free. Why were these animals not taken here when the neighbors were complaing about them? Why is Governor Kasich just now speaking up when this situation has unfolded? He would have saved himself in the long-run had he not let this law lapse. That's exactly what the governor did, too, and now he is paying for it. Not like he was popular anyway, so the popularity points don't matter to this guy unless it is bringing in another fortune 500 company from another state.
I just don't understand the thinking behind this. Neighbors have complained for years, and feel this was his way to say ********* all, I'm killing myself and setting the animals free. Not to mention he had a criminal history. These animals had a place to go for years right in their own back yard....
10-19-2011, 08:28 PM
Location: Hyrule
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they tried to tranquilize the animals, wouldn't it not work right away? Couldn't the animals have ran off, passed out for however long, then come around again and possibly harm someone? Yes, that may seem like a ridiculous question but I always heard tranquilizing isn't instant like the movies project.
I have to agree with ya on that one!
10-19-2011, 08:29 PM
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The tragedy is the laws that let this guy keep these animals in the first place. If the sheriff didn't do anything in his prior contacts, it was probably because the guy wasn't breaking any laws and his hands were tied.
10-19-2011, 08:30 PM
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Woulda shoulda coulda is all that can be said now! The fact is you wouldn't stake your life on those animals so he had no choice at the moment. Hopefully there might be some laws coming out of this, people have no business owning wild animals. If all the "I can do whatever I want in America" rights activist can stay out of it maybe this won't happen again.
I can just imagine being a Policeman facing down a bengal tiger or a grizzly with a pistol
10-19-2011, 08:31 PM
Location: Hyrule
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Exactly, no matter what way it would have turned out, you would have had people complain about the issue. I guess this issue is better than the second one of someone being killed.
I don't understand have that conservation place either to tell ya the truth.
10-19-2011, 08:33 PM
Location: Cleveland Suburbs
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I don't understand have that conservation place either to tell ya the truth.
Sorry, I don't understand your post.
10-19-2011, 08:41 PM
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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As many people have pointed out, even Jack Hanna said they couldn't have tranquilized the animals. It was dark and there were about 50 large wild animals in a populated area. I'm a bleeding heart when it comes to animals, but there was really no choice.
Not only that, but when animals are in a highly agitated state (which these were), the effects of a tranquilizer are greatly reduced.
It'd be like trying to calm down a politician who just found out they were no longer going to be getting a yearly raise.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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