Economic Climate in CT (creek, distributor, mattress)

hartford_renter · 10-12-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JayCT

This was discussed here months ago and is based on a flawed study. The Mercatus study did not take into account that Connecticut has no county level of government. As I posted several months ago that when I contacted her the study author admitted that was not considered and would make a difference. Jay

So you are saying that we are only the 3rd worst now?

Do dispute the fact that we will go bankrupt within 10 years?

JayCT · 10-12-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hartford_renter

So you are saying that we are only the 3rd worst now?

Do dispute the fact that we will go bankrupt within 10 years?

I do not know where the difference would place us. That would be up to the authors to determine.

I have been hearing that the state is going bankrupt for decades now. Hasn't happened yet. I think we have a lot of "Chicken Littles" who are quick to cry "The sky s falling, the sky is falling". Jay

Sigequinox · 10-13-2016, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeker2211

Really? The tax haters are all for free-riding, it seems. The cost to dispose illegally dumped mattresses is well over $9 a piece. Mattresses get moldy, lousy, and bacteria filled QUICK when out in the open. And guess what... once other states figure they can save money by asking for a small fee up front there will be more coming on board. Shouldn't you be applauding this as a cost saving move, shifting the cost to consumers and reduces cost on municipalities that have to deal with the issue at a exponentially inflated cost.

I'm not fully following for a few reasons and think that you might be misunderstanding something...

I'm not getting rid of old mattress (although now, when I do, I will be dumping it on the side of a road out of childish spite).

The fact that I can make the above claim to [allegedly] dump a mattress on the side of the road means the "tax" actually hasn't solved a thing.

Furthermore, unless you're implying that CT has a higher rate of mattress disposal misuse then this problem exists for all municipalities, in all states, that manage the problem just fine while taking THOUSANDS less from individual tax payers. To make a point about it not being money I'm going to pledge that when I [allegedly] dump this mattress on the side of the road in the distant future, I will donate 10x the amount ($300) to CT Children's medical center for clinical research.

Beeker2211 · 10-13-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigequinox

I'm not getting rid of old mattress (although now, when I do, I will be dumping it on the side of a road out of childish spite).

The fee is like aluminum can deposits, it's an upfront cost for the end of usable life disposal for the mattress you are buying. The thing is any mattress bought before the fee or brought in from another state is returnable (unless there's a health or safety hazard) under the program.

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Originally Posted by Sigequinox

The fact that I can make the above claim to [allegedly] dump a mattress on the side of the road means the "tax" actually hasn't solved a thing.

It gives a low cost alternative through byebyemattress. Thus reducing the need for illegally dumping mattresses.

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Originally Posted by Sigequinox

Furthermore, unless you're implying that CT has a higher rate of mattress disposal misuse then this problem exists for all municipalities, in all states, that manage the problem just fine while taking THOUSANDS less from individual tax payers. To make a point about it not being money I'm going to pledge that when I [allegedly] dump this mattress on the side of the road in the distant future, I will donate 10x the amount ($300) to CT Children's medical center for clinical research.

This is ludicrous. First off, mattresses that aren't recycled end up in landfills... do you think maintaining landfills is free? Second, mattresses are ill suited for being in landfills (and most operators DO NOT WANT THEM) and most mattresses are up to 90% recyclable. So again you're all for throwing good money after bad, for what? Third, if you think there's a one for one relationship on this sort of thing you clearly have no idea how governmental financing works. If a municipality isn't dealing with the $300-$400 expense of dealing with each mattress (after labor, cleaning, disposal) all it means is that the money can be shifted to more pressing operational matters. Fourth, there's nothing forcing you NOT to donate $291 to a charity. That point meant literally nothing.