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Old 02-01-2022, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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I am obtuse and tend to need specifics rather than broad strokes labels or slogans. What do you mean by diversity, equity, and inclusion? If the issue is, are kids being taught to "dismantle all of the systems and strictures comprising the United States of America," or that white people are "evil," etc., then I'm confident that there is no school system in Connecticut with that curriculum. I am sorry that the right wing propaganda machine, whose lifeblood is to provoke outrage and divide us as Americans, has convinced you that this is a thing that exists to any real degree in the K-12 educational system. On the other hand, if by diversity, equity, and inclusion, you mean exposure to painful historical facts, including books in libraries on a wide range of topics, or some level of recognition that learning environments can be enriched by a diversity of contributions and perspectives, or the aspiration to have all students and community members of a variety of backgrounds feel welcomed and valued, then I would say all school systems in Connecticut support such initiatives.

I tend to stay off social media but come back to look at this board every year or so. Life is much better lived off of social media and the Fox News outrage machine. My real life (kids are still doing really well in Stamford schools, achieving academic excellence while benefitting from the very real diversity of this town; weekday family dinners; weekends cheering with the rest of the parents on the sidelines of the baseball field, or else exploring the wonderful natural diversity of the region as a family (we like to hike)) looks nothing like what those promoting the culture wars want you to believe. It's not so scary!
Let’s get this straight, certainly no school or school district in Connecticut is going to teach “dismantle all systems” or “white people are evil”. That’s just ridiculous.

They will however be teaching the more painful parts of discrimination in our country. Some parents aren’t comfortable with that at any age. Unfortunately this has become political and divisive. It’s too bad but as I said the OP can’t avoid it if moving here. Of course they could home school but IMHO that does not prepare your kids for the real world.

I would suggest that the OP consider contacting the school district with their concerns to see if it’s as bad as feared. I doubt it is. Jay

 
Old 02-01-2022, 01:34 PM
 
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Although I don't believe DEI (a bothersome acronym when you think about it) initiatives are the answer (forcing unwilling people to accept those they think are beneath isn't always the best idea), there's nothing "woke" about other people's children having access to the same resources as your own.
 
Old 02-01-2022, 01:41 PM
 
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Let’s get this straight, certainly no school or school district in Connecticut is going to teach “dismantle all systems” or “white people are evil”. That’s just ridiculous.

They will however be teaching the more painful parts of discrimination in our country. Some parents aren’t comfortable with that at any age. Unfortunately this has become political and divisive. It’s too bad but as I said the OP can’t avoid it if moving here. Of course they could home school but IMHO that does not prepare your kids for the real world.

I would suggest that the OP consider contacting the school district with their concerns to see if it’s as bad as feared. I doubt it is. Jay
Gosh Jay, if I didn't know any better I would think you were some evil, crazy, woke, hell-bent on destroying the US of A socialist! Stop making sense!
 
Old 02-01-2022, 10:47 PM
 
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I am obtuse and tend to need specifics rather than broad strokes labels or slogans. What do you mean by diversity, equity, and inclusion? If the issue is, are kids being taught to "dismantle all of the systems and strictures comprising the United States of America," or that white people are "evil," etc., then I'm confident that there is no school system in Connecticut with that curriculum. I am sorry that the right wing propaganda machine, whose lifeblood is to provoke outrage and divide us as Americans, has convinced you that this is a thing that exists to any real degree in the K-12 educational system. On the other hand, if by diversity, equity, and inclusion, you mean exposure to painful historical facts, including books in libraries on a wide range of topics, or some level of recognition that learning environments can be enriched by a diversity of contributions and perspectives, or the aspiration to have all students and community members of a variety of backgrounds feel welcomed and valued, then I would say all school systems in Connecticut support such initiatives.

I tend to stay off social media but come back to look at this board every year or so. Life is much better lived off of social media and the Fox News outrage machine. My real life (kids are still doing really well in Stamford schools, achieving academic excellence while benefitting from the very real diversity of this town; weekday family dinners; weekends cheering with the rest of the parents on the sidelines of the baseball field, or else exploring the wonderful natural diversity of the region as a family (we like to hike)) looks nothing like what those promoting the culture wars want you to believe. It's not so scary!
In regards to the bolded comment above, I think many folks are unfortunately unaware of reality. Is the Black Lives Matter movement influential in schools? Because I can offer a link to a video with BLM-LA where they spend an hour talking about the need to dismantle all systems and structures which are oppressive, and then proceed to list all of the systems and structures comprising the USA as just that. And we can find similar language used in materials presented in schools.

With all of that said, I can not speak specifically to schools in Connecticut. But, I can assure you the concern is legitimate in general, but perhaps not in much of CT.
 
Old 02-01-2022, 10:52 PM
 
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Let’s get this straight, certainly no school or school district in Connecticut is going to teach “dismantle all systems” or “white people are evil”. That’s just ridiculous.

They will however be teaching the more painful parts of discrimination in our country. Some parents aren’t comfortable with that at any age. Unfortunately this has become political and divisive. It’s too bad but as I said the OP can’t avoid it if moving here. Of course they could home school but IMHO that does not prepare your kids for the real world.

I would suggest that the OP consider contacting the school district with their concerns to see if it’s as bad as feared. I doubt it is. Jay
It's ridiculous in the sense that it should never be done. But, sadly, it is *not* ridiculous to say it's happened in various places. Particularly if you include the idea of "whiteness" being evil being taught, and most kids will perceive that assertion to mean that white people themselves are evil.

The culture war around this would be much more reasonable if people would simply concede something along the lines of "I don't think those things are happening, but if they did ever happen I concede it would be wrong and should be stopped".
 
Old 02-02-2022, 08:14 AM
 
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Greenwich Public Schools sets out its curriculum comprehensively on its website. Looks pretty normal to me. Is there anything here that concerns you?

https://www.greenwichschools.org/tea...k-8-curriculum
 
Old 02-04-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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With all of that said, I can not speak specifically to schools in Connecticut. But, I can assure you the concern is legitimate in general, but perhaps not in much of CT.
Sigh. I'm going to be diplomatic but frankly, no, it is not a legitimate concern. In fact it's a fabricated and inherently threatening boogeyman that is taking real concerns of actual affect on real people's lives in order for a certain subsect of the population to feel comfortable and righteous. It's causing state legislatures and governors to try and either force schools via funding to white-wash our collective history or scare them into submission via "tip lines." Both are wildly unconstitutional both in spirit and text, and are very threatening inherently (had to re-iterate this important point). It is in no way "concern" it's a willful show of force to cajole the rest of society to comply socially with their comfort level and when that fails to utilize the power of state to literally beat compliance.

These absolutely horrific things are happening all because the right wing whackjob industrial complex is whipping it's viewers into a frenzy over, again frankly, legitimate concerns people have with the way the law doesn't work for them and how it works against them. For those worried about "woke-ism" publicly there concern isn't that we're teaching white children to hate themselves... it's that "oppression" is in their minds the fact that some of us have the absolute gall to openly express discontent at extra-judicial killings, overly aggressive state power, legal structures to benefit the majority at the expense of the minority, etc. in what we should agree is a democratic free society. Mess. That.

Saying it's a "legitimate concern" unilaterally is basically me saying that YOU should take my concern of Banshee infestations of school buildings seriously. It isn't. Never has been and it's a waste of time and air. And has undertones of trying to scapegoat an "other" (in the Banshee case the Irish), just like the current bruhaha against "CRT" or whatever other boogeyman du jour is. If you have to search high and low to ignore what BLM is actually saying on a whole to find some off lecture you're looking for reasons to be mad and looking for reasons to outright ignore the main thread of what is being discussed.

As for Greenwich it's a fairly diverse town with noticeable Latino and Asian populations, and as such the GPS system is more diverse than most state and national averages. I'd advise the OP that Greenwich would likely make them feel uncomfortable if their main concern is not being solely around like-minded and like-looking people. Not trying to be too mean, just the facts.
 
Old 02-04-2022, 06:33 PM
 
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Sigh. I'm going to be diplomatic but frankly, no, it is not a legitimate concern. In fact it's a fabricated and inherently threatening boogeyman that is taking real concerns of actual affect on real people's lives in order for a certain subsect of the population to feel comfortable and righteous. It's causing state legislatures and governors to try and either force schools via funding to white-wash our collective history or scare them into submission via "tip lines." Both are wildly unconstitutional both in spirit and text, and are very threatening inherently (had to re-iterate this important point). It is in no way "concern" it's a willful show of force to cajole the rest of society to comply socially with their comfort level and when that fails to utilize the power of state to literally beat compliance.

These absolutely horrific things are happening all because the right wing whackjob industrial complex is whipping it's viewers into a frenzy over, again frankly, legitimate concerns people have with the way the law doesn't work for them and how it works against them. For those worried about "woke-ism" publicly there concern isn't that we're teaching white children to hate themselves... it's that "oppression" is in their minds the fact that some of us have the absolute gall to openly express discontent at extra-judicial killings, overly aggressive state power, legal structures to benefit the majority at the expense of the minority, etc. in what we should agree is a democratic free society. Mess. That.

Saying it's a "legitimate concern" unilaterally is basically me saying that YOU should take my concern of Banshee infestations of school buildings seriously. It isn't. Never has been and it's a waste of time and air. And has undertones of trying to scapegoat an "other" (in the Banshee case the Irish), just like the current bruhaha against "CRT" or whatever other boogeyman du jour is. If you have to search high and low to ignore what BLM is actually saying on a whole to find some off lecture you're looking for reasons to be mad and looking for reasons to outright ignore the main thread of what is being discussed.

As for Greenwich it's a fairly diverse town with noticeable Latino and Asian populations, and as such the GPS system is more diverse than most state and national averages. I'd advise the OP that Greenwich would likely make them feel uncomfortable if their main concern is not being solely around like-minded and like-looking people. Not trying to be too mean, just the facts.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but we’re a Latino family. I didn’t mention this upfront because the color of mine and my family’s skin is no one else’s business and totally irrelevant to me. I see it as inappropriate to discuss people’s skin color and am looking for a school that values the content of your character instead of the color of your skin. We are not part of some Latino tribe and don’t care if we live near people who look just like us or not. We just want to avoid all the sanctimonious racializing.
 
Old 02-04-2022, 07:58 PM
 
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Perhaps north eastern CT will align better with your values. Lebanon, Barkhamstead, or Wauregan maybe.
 
Old 02-04-2022, 08:30 PM
 
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My husband and I are relocating to the Greenwich area later this year with our three children. Can anyone recommend any elementary and/or middle schools in the area that do NOT have DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) initiatives? We are looking for a school that does not embrace woke politics or activism.

Thanks in advance!
Nice to equate fostering a culture of equality as wokeism. As opposed to white nationalism? The latter is such a great way to raise one's children.
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