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Old 07-02-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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The belief that a company should be forced to offer something to an employee is telling them how to run their business. If you agree with this practice then you are agreeing with telling someone how to run their business. If not, then why did you even address me since I was talking to someone who actually holds this view?
The government forcing a business to offer workers something they may not want to is both common and accepted here. Overtime pay, minimum wages, work breaks, medical leave, workers compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, tons of OSHA regulations, etc.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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The belief that a company should be forced to offer something to an employee is telling them how to run their business. If you agree with this practice then you are agreeing with telling someone how to run their business. If not, then why did you even address me since I was talking to someone who actually holds this view?

Exactly. There's no "compelling government interest" in requiring employers to pay for every method of birth control and abortifacients. People who're salivating at the prospect of the gub-ment exercising more and more control over our lives might want to read the ruling.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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Exactly. There's no "compelling government interest" in requiring employers to pay for every method of birth control and abortifacients. People who're salivating at the prospect of the gub-ment exercising more and more control over our lives might want to read the ruling.
I'm gonna say it again, the morning after pill & IUD are NOT abortifacients. Why can't you people get that thru your heads? I'll say it 10 more times if it'll finally stick. Facts people, facts.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:33 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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So should all private, for profit employers have to disclose their religion now? Hey, boss, what is YOUR religion? Do you also have a right to even ASK THAT?

Second, Plan B is not the same as RU-485? RU-485 is NOT available OTC. It STILL requires a script by a doctor. "Morning After" is just a mega dosage of what is contained in plain birth control pills. If a woman is taking "the Pill" and forgets one or two, what does she do the DAY AFTER? RUN out and get RU-485? lol She takes 2 or 3 pills in one day of her REGULAR BC pill. Oh, Hobby Lobby, how can you KNOW THAT? The "so called" Morning After Pill.

As a former Catholic, I would NEVER work for a Catholic school, but how would I know what the religion of something like Sunny Days Kindergarten is, unless they DISCLOSE that their CEO is a faithful Christian?

My feeling, apart from the obvious, is that a whole lot of female employees are going to get blindsighted when their bosses disclose their religion

I doubt seriously that you'd have to ask a prospective employer ( or even a current employer) about his/her/their religious beliefs. The question to ask is the details of coverage in the health insurance policy(ies) they offer their employees. If you find that coverage does not include birth control with no out of pocket expenses to the covered employee, you might infer that this exclusion is due to their religious beliefs, but that's up to you. What you will have to consider is that you'll have to pay for, at least in part, but maybe entirely depending on the details of the coverage, your own birth control.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:35 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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The government forcing a business to offer workers something they may not want to is both common and accepted here. Overtime pay, minimum wages, work breaks, medical leave, workers compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, tons of OSHA regulations, etc.
And those are directly workplace-related issues. Health care, and specifically birth control coverage at no cost to the employee are NOT.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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I'm gonna say it again, the morning after pill & IUD are NOT abortifacients. Why can't you people get that thru your heads? I'll say it 10 more times if it'll finally stick. Facts people,
facts.

The fact is that any drug (or device) which keeps a fertilized egg from implanting is an abortifacient. Even the Catholic church has denounced them for that reason (despite the fact that they don't plan to cover even contraceptives). Hobby Lobby chose to cover plenty of true contraceptives, BTW.

Because the FDA refuses to classify something as an abortifacient, doesn't mean that it isn't one.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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SCOTUS ruled today to allow corporations that are comprised of 5 or less owners that hold more than 50% ownership a right to impose their religious values on their employee's.

Justices: Can't make employers cover contraception
No one is imposing religious beliefs on anyone. Birth control is still available to women who want it, they just have to pay for it. Like I do my own meds....
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Religion should not be allowed in the work place!
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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No one is imposing religious beliefs on anyone. Birth control is still available to women who want it, they just have to pay for it. Like I do my own meds....
Incorrect, and this ruling has opened a flood gate that will allow religion to impose its values upon others. That is a fact.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:48 AM
 
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They have other pills that work for this.

And technically yes a woman should have to pay for her own delivery and labor (or her husband), either that or not get pregnant in the first place. This is why we have insurance to pay for things we can't pay out of pocket for. And this is why we should shop around and find the best insurance that fits our needs. If the one our employer offers doesn't work then we should shop around...like we do for everything else.

The bottom line is, the government should take over the whole thing and run it as they see fit instead of trying to force companies into offering benefits/services they don't want to offer.
Single payer? If that covers contraceptives, or anything else (blood tranfusions?) that religious citizens consider immoral, can they refuse to pay their taxes?
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