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My point is kids need positive examples to become positive upstanding citizens.
Really? I thought this was your point:
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My point is once the walls of something that was illegal are eroded and broken down so it is made legal there will be repercutions in the streets until the commotion settles down. I'm sure that once everyone has tried it the numbers of sick kids will decline but the moral decay of America will continue.
That's what you wrote in the post starting this thread, extoling the virtues of your fetish for things being now-and-forever illegal.
Now you're going on about role-models. Do you even know your point, Todd? I don't think you do. You're just angry, and trying to find something that sounds less self-absorbed than "Wah! I'm mad!".
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If kids are surrounded by high or drunk adults who watch porn then guess what they will see nothing wrong with it.
Wait a minute, Todd - that sentence clearly implies that you think watching porn is wrong. Yet last night you wrote this:
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Originally Posted by Cape Cod Todd
Wow this really went in the wrong direction. For the record I don't oppose medical marijuana, pornography or any of the other things that you guys are accusing me of.
You seem very confused. Your 'point' keeps changing. And you can't seem to figure out whether or not you think pornography is bad.
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Sex is everywhere, Guns are everywhere, Violence is all over the place, and kids seeing adults consuming pot and getting high is going to lead to those kids thinking it is cool and trying it themselves.
This is really funny how many people have jumped in to dissect and jump all over what I wrote.
I'm glad I am having such an impact and making people think. Isn't that what city data is all about to share ideas and talk about them.
My thoughts and words have been twisted up by you responders. NOW I know how a Politician feels.
Bottom line For Good or Bad Kids mimic what they see adults doing.
Seen men in their mid 30's, today? In popular culture or otherwise? They are 40 years ago's adolescents.
Our culture, in an effort to 'save the children' by rounding everything off at the edges, has made a society that creates manchildren.
I am no prude and I think people should be able to do what they want within the confines of their own space as long as it doesn't hurt innocent people or unduly make bad suggestions blatantly or subliminally to people that don't know any better such as kids.
If people want to smoke pot let them.
If they want to drink let them.
If they want to watch porn let them
If they want to go buy guns let them.
Remember the days when everyone smoked cigarettes? Smokers were all over the place and I don't think anyone who has responded here would argue that people are not better off not smoking. The ads for tobacco were everywhere and it was easy to get. That is fine for the adults who should know better but the kids didn't and they lite up and got addicted.
How about booze? The advertisements used to be everywhere and were then limited or banned but are now making a comeback. You still cannot actually drink a beer on a TV commercial but you can admire it. Once again nothing wrong with that when it comes to adult consumption. Speaking of that I don't agree that a 18 kid can sign up for the military and risk life and limb but cannot order a beer at the local tavern. That is another thread.
Someone said "And there it is, the "think about the children" crap."
Well it is or at least it should be. The majority of posters here on City data would agree with me that characters like Treyvon Martin, Michael Brown etc.. etc... would have been better off and possibly still alive if they have had a better upbringing. They came from "the hood" and were witness to all sorts of bad things.
My point is kids need positive examples to become positive upstanding citizens. If kids are surrounded by high or drunk adults who watch porn then guess what they will see nothing wrong with it. Sex is everywhere, Guns are everywhere, Violence is all over the place, and kids seeing adults consuming pot and getting high is going to lead to those kids thinking it is cool and trying it themselves.
First, no one is advocating getting high in front of kids. Second, I was into all kinds of partying as a teen and my mother nor any adult in my family drank or smoke. Third, I think it's the opposite, that being "forbidden fruit" makes it more tempting to teens then being socially accepted. Look at countries like Italy and France, where kids see adults consume wine every day with meals. It is looked upon as normal and those countries have a much lower incidence of binge drinking in teens than we do. Usually what's "cool" to kids is the opposite of what their parents are doing, I've never known a teen who thought his parent was "cool".
One of the side effects of legal pot is the sharp drop in heroin overdoses in the states that legalized it, marijuana should be legal nationwide, it is a lot less harmful than alcohol.
"Trying to draw any conclusions with less than one year of data is irresponsible," pro-cannabis Marijuana Policy Project spokesman Mason Tvert said.
I'm a pretty conservative feller, but I think pot being illegal is stupid and a huge waste of law enforcement resources and time. A little over a dozen problems does not make a crisis. There will be some growing pains with the legalization of marijuana, but I highly doubt it will be the worst thing to ever happen.
Give it time for the kinks to be worked out and just relax. The quote above is spot on.
And I really fail to see how pornography and illegal immigration tie into this topic or moral values. OK, well, porn I understand, but it isn't all that bad. FFS, it's procreation on video. We all came from a V (c-section aside) and the first thing we saw was a boob stuck in our mouth. Big friggin' deal.
One of the side effects of legal pot is the sharp drop in heroin overdoses in the states that legalized it, marijuana should be legal nationwide, it is a lot less harmful than alcohol.
A few more side effects include a spike in sales at pizza delivery joints, increased tax revenues, and a massive increase in the deep philosophical conversations about the merits of Mario over Sonic and how much of a genius the lead guitar player of Government Mule is.
You also can't discount the increased sales of Phish albums, Grateful Dead t-shirts, Top rolling papers, new work for unemployed glass blowers, and Moen, Price Pfister, and other faucet makers probably see an increase in orders for screens in faucets (most people won't get that).
"At least 14 Colorado children ages 3 to 7 were sent to hospitals in the first half of 2014 for accidentally ingesting marijuana products, compared with eight in 2013 and four between 2008 and 2011, SAM said of state data."
Hm. Let's see...
In 2008, your kid gets into your stash. You take him/her to a hospital. You go to jail and your kid is taken from you. Or if you are moderately intelligent, you just don't bother taking the kid to the hospital so that none of that will happen. Either way, kid probably recovers with no major ill effects after a good long nap.
In 2014, your kid gets into your stash, you are a conscientious parent in a state where it's legal (although maybe not that bright if you didn't have your stuff in a secure spot but whatever.) You take the kid to the hospital where they recover under observation. Child recovers with no major ill effects after a good long nap. Worst problem: hefty hospital bill.
Hey Todd...guess what...I live in CO. I don't like or use pot, personally. But the sky isn't falling here, despite the claims of plenty of scare tactics reporting sources out there. I could find 20 pages on the other side of the argument if I wanted to, but you've got the same access to Google that I do. Simply put, it doesn't matter. Nothing terrible is going on here as a result of our "legal" (not really) weed. (I say not really because we don't have the power to truly make it legal...the state just isn't enforcing the federal law.)
I absolutely expect that more parents will try and get help to get their teens free of pot, now, because loosening the legal stigma means that you can't just assume the law is gonna lock you up and take your kid, because little Joe Bob Junior has become a stoner. When I was a teenager, in Northern VA, pot was absolutely everywhere. Illegal as heck and everywhere. It would have been easier (and cheaper) for me to get then and there, than here and now.
Kids can get into liquor cabinets as well...I recall years ago as a kid in the 70's when we would sneak swigs of beer from half-empty glasses at adult parties, not to mention that teens often raid parents and grandparents meds from the medical cabinet.....yet no outcry about banning meds or liquor/beer.....
Responsibility for this is on the adults, as it is for meds, booze, cigarettes, and everything else..
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