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'The Washington Post' reports a police document says Freddie Gray was "banging against walls" inside the police wagon after his arrest, a period when Baltimore police officials contend he must have sustained his fatal spinal injury.
A prisoner sharing a police van with Freddie Gray the night he died of spinal injuries while in police custody in Baltimore purportedly told investigators that Gray was "banging against walls" inside the vehicle and was "intentionally trying to injure himself," The Washington Post reported Thursday.
The statement from the unidentified prisoner was contained in an application for a search warrant, the newspaper said. The warrant has been sealed by the court, but the Post said it had obtained the documents under the condition that the prisoner not be named.
Just saw a report on Rachel Maddows show of all places, that the Washinton Post is reporting that a wtness who was present in the van with FG is stating to investigators that FG purposely injured himself. The witness stated that he saw FG slamming himself around the van.
Since it got him killed it seems to have backfired on him.
Just saw a report on Rachel Maddows show of all places, that the Washinton Post is reporting that a wtness who was present in the van with FG is stating to investigators that FG purposely injured himself. The witness stated that he saw FG slamming himself around the van.
The so-called witness stated he could not see Freddie while they were both in the van.
Not to mention that Freddie was not belted on the seat. With hands cuffed behind him and legs shackled, it's quite possible the was thrown around while the van was in motion, with no way to brace himself.
Just saw a report on Rachel Maddows show of all places, that the Washinton Post is reporting that a wtness who was present in the van with FG is stating to investigators that FG purposely injured himself. The witness stated that he saw FG slamming himself around the van.
That's convenient, another prisoner (witness) states FG purposely injured himself. How fortunate for the police that this other prisoner just happened to be there and just happened to overhear FG trying to hurt himself.
I can't imagine how much force FG would have had to use and at what crazy angle to severe his spinal cord. That's major trauma, the type of which generally occurs in a car accident.
What's more likely: Gray injuring himself or having police help with his injury?
Once police caught Gray, a friend saw one officer with his knee on Gray's neck and another bending his legs back. In video of the arrest, a bystander shouts that Gray's legs are broken and he needs help. He was then placed in the van and driven away.
Critics argue that the reason a prisoner would be left unbuckled is not to protect officers but to dole out extrajudicial treatment. Baltimore juries have on occasion agreed. In 2004, a man named Jeffrey Alston won $39 million from Baltimore after he was paralyzed from the neck down during a police-van ride. The following year, Dondi Johnson Sr. won $7.4 million after a ride left him a paraplegic. In 2013, Johns Hopkins librarian Christine Abbott filed a suit against the department for a "rough ride" after a 2012 arrest that resulted from a noise complaint. Her lawyer alleges she was not buckled and an officer drove "maniacally" as she was taken in, throwing her around the unpadded van. (Abbott is white; Alston and Johnson, like Gray, are black.) Arrestees and advocates say drivers will jam to abrupt stops and take corners hard to toss riders around. In addition to rough rides, my colleague Conor Friedersdorf notes, the Baltimore Police Department has a long and ignominious rap sheet of brutality not befitting a place that calls itself Charm City.
How can someone report what someone else was doing if they could not see what was happening?
I agree.
It's also been said, FG was not seat belted in when they took him for a wild ride in the police van.
He appeared to be already injured as they threw him in the van as his legs dragged behind.
By the time they made a second stop to pick up another who was arrested (assuming it's this tall tale guy) he had stopped breathing and was in distress.
That's convenient, another prisoner (witness) states FG purposely injured himself. How fortunate for the police that this other prisoner just happened to be there and just happened to overhear FG trying to hurt himself.
I can't imagine how much force FG would have had to use and at what crazy angle to severe his spinal cord. That's major trauma, the type of which generally occurs in a car accident.
What's more likely: Gray injuring himself or having police help with his injury?
Once police caught Gray, a friend saw one officer with his knee on Gray's neck and another bending his legs back. In video of the arrest, a bystander shouts that Gray's legs are broken and he needs help. He was then placed in the van and driven away.
Critics argue that the reason a prisoner would be left unbuckled is not to protect officers but to dole out extrajudicial treatment. Baltimore juries have on occasion agreed. In 2004, a man named Jeffrey Alston won $39 million from Baltimore after he was paralyzed from the neck down during a police-van ride. The following year, Dondi Johnson Sr. won $7.4 million after a ride left him a paraplegic. In 2013, Johns Hopkins librarian Christine Abbott filed a suit against the department for a "rough ride" after a 2012 arrest that resulted from a noise complaint. Her lawyer alleges she was not buckled and an officer drove "maniacally" as she was taken in, throwing her around the unpadded van. (Abbott is white; Alston and Johnson, like Gray, are black.) Arrestees and advocates say drivers will jam to abrupt stops and take corners hard to toss riders around. In addition to rough rides, my colleague Conor Friedersdorf notes, the Baltimore Police Department has a long and ignominious rap sheet of brutality not befitting a place that calls itself Charm City.
You are aware the PD is stating that they have tracking data on the van that shows it was NOT being driven in such a manner right?
How 'bout waiting for ALL of the facts to come out, this could be another Ferguson for all we know... I guess if one's opinion is that all cops everywhere are racist murderers and any time a Black person is found to be injured after an arrest it's automatically the cops fault then the world is a pretty sad,bleak place and we should all riot...
Besides, what data can they track? Left or right turns? Brake pressure? Speed?
That data can tell some things, but not all things.
Do you know for certain what data they have? BTW, yes, there is a way to track speed,braking and turns.
Welcome to the 21st century... Now let's wait and see what data they have or, we can just burn 'em all on what you think happened.
If it's shown he was injured due to what is called a "rough ride" then someone needs to pay for it. Period...
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I guess if one's opinion is that all cops everywhere are racist murderers and any time a Black person is found to be injured after an arrest it's automatically the cops fault then the world is a pretty sad,bleak place and we should all riot...
