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There is zero excuse for the cops in this story. The fact that they shot each other in addition to the homeowner reflects many things that are wrong. Not to mention that they went and frankly, illegally entered a domicile.
A cop shoots someone who makes a quick move.. You know, in cases I can defend that. A cop who raids the wrong house? There's no excuse for that whatsoever. And then shooting the lawful occupant of that house along with another cop? That person shouldn't have been on the force to start with.
Where are all these "above average" people going to come from? Have the quality of those making decisions on the direction of society been above average? This entire nonsense about holding one aspect of society to higher standards when the standards of society as a whole are declining is a bit of wishful dreaming isn't it?
No it's not wishful dreaming. It's saying we are going to authorize you and pay you to perform at the highest standards. And if you do not, we will fire you. That's hardly unique in America.
I think it's refreshing that you just admitted that the police do not perform at higher standards.
This is all horsepucky. The crying and whining about the quality of poloce disregards a few things. First is the constant blame placed on all police for the acrions of the few who do not follow the law. Do we say all people of a certain ethnic group make all guilty? There are more rioters of certain ethnic groups than there are police not following the laws. Second, where is all the concern about why the "above average" people not flooding police academies to sign up? You think this is all some miracle wand waving solution? Society is degrading and you expect the police to somehow be immune? Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
Which is no more unreasonable than your crying and whining while defending all police actions.
So why aren't you here advocating better pay and incentives to do what you preach instead of playing to the lowest common denominator of the pile on crowd who can do little more than complain?
In the Virginia jurisdiction where I lived most of my life, police pay is not at $46,747 for a "freshman" police officer, going all the way up to $171,283. They can retire with full benefits after 30 years, which means if they start in the county they can retire as early as age 51.
And I have no complaints about that pay range or retirement benefits. But that is hardly a pittance, and does not count the substantial earnings that many officers receive working off hours.
Here's the twist this time.. At least 2 of the cops were black, homeowner was white.. And.. One of the cops shot one of the other cops. Shot and killed the homeowners' dog as well.
This is crazy!! This explains a lot...125 is not even that high, it's not genius level or anything.
"A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training"
This is crazy!! This explains a lot...125 is not even that high, it's not genius level or anything.
"A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training"
My goodness, stop with all the panic. Companies and organizations have refused to hire what can be called over qualified candidates on that basis for decades. Where have you been? People have avoided electing Presidents based on IQ since there were Presidents. IQ is not a reliable factor in determining job performance in most cases. Police work doesn't require a high IQ, it requires many character traits that have little to do with IQ.
Police carry and use guns and have the power to detain and arrest people: ie: they have a tremendous amount of power over other people. As a citizen I want them held to a very high standard in order to have that job. My life and that of my family is at stake. I don't hate cops and have never advocated for anyone else to hate them. Their job is difficult and really, I admire them for taking that on. Not all of them are a good fit for the job though, and I think better screening of candidates is needed.
And yea, the medical profession has its share of mistakes which is a whole 'nother conversation.
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I wonder how well this would fly if I made the mistake in my line of work and designed a power circuit with a step-up transformer instead of a step-down. You'd have some 100kV running through your house instead of the regular 240V, and likely die as soon as you plugged something into your wall.
Point is, I'm expected to be a professional in my line of work, and am trained to know NOT to make these types of grave errors.
Cops are supposed to be trained to be professional in their line of work, and this is too big of a "mistake" to be forgivable.
Bingo. Many of us are getting very tired of the "tragic mistake" that gives cops a pass when they screw up.
Many people are terminated from other positions when they screw up. And these are jobs where people end up getting killed due to a "whoopsie I made a mistake" scenarios.
Great example you gave.
Unfortunately(and it seems especially in the south more so) you have people becoming cops whose last job was at Burger King. More progressive areas at least want a 2 year college degree, it shows that you can at least follow through on something.
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. Many of us are getting very tired of the "tragic mistake" that gives cops a pass when they screw up.
