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Old 11-08-2019, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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In an attempt to get homeless people off city streets, the Las Vegas City Council has passed an ordinance that makes it a crime to camp or sleep on a city sidewalk.

Supporters of the ordinance, which passed 5-2 on Wednesday, say it's an attempt to push the more than 6,500 homeless people and families in southern Nevada into homeless shelters while also protecting the health and safety of the community.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/us/la...ing/index.html
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:35 AM
 
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Criminalizing being poor isn't gonna help.

I wonder how long they'll be able to hide the news stories when the jails get filled with more poor people than actual criminals.

Whoever voted for this is stupid beyond belief. This is a clear example of sweeping a problem under the rug instead of actually helping to alleviate it.
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Old 11-08-2019, 03:00 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Something has to be done about homeless people.6,500 people sleeping on streets? That's crazy

Sidewalks are not for living on. What about all the people who actually want to walk on sidewalks? Do they have no rights?

If I want to camp somewhere I am charged money. It's called a campground.

Whoever these people are, where are social services who should be helping them? Somebody needs to get to the root of the problem. Is it drugs? Mental illness? Poverty? DO something! People shouldn't be taking over the sidewalks for the purpose of sleeping.
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Old 11-08-2019, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Closing time....you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.



And, since it's a crime, maybe they can be arrested and housed in prison. If they're nuts or addicts, maybe they can get treatment. Not a great option, but is overlooking them baking on the sidewalk really a better one? It may mean we have to start rehabilitating people though instead of punishing them.
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Old 11-08-2019, 04:02 AM
 
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Criminalizing being poor isn't gonna help.

I wonder how long they'll be able to hide the news stories when the jails get filled with more poor people than actual criminals.

Whoever voted for this is stupid beyond belief. This is a clear example of sweeping a problem under the rug instead of actually helping to alleviate it.
I agree - let's send them all over to your place.
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:29 AM
 
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This is happening in my city too.

My view is that they're not criminalizing being poor, they're criminalizing not taking advantage of shelter when it's available. Cities aren't wanting to ticket or arrest if the shelters are full and there's nowhere else for these people to go.

The shelters do offer other services besides a bed at night, and the only way to get people to take advantage of those services is to get them into the shelter.
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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"...I was just checking the inside of my eyelids"
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:44 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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This is happening in my city too.

My view is that they're not criminalizing being poor, they're criminalizing not taking advantage of shelter when it's available. Cities aren't wanting to ticket or arrest if the shelters are full and there's nowhere else for these people to go.

The shelters do offer other services besides a bed at night, and the only way to get people to take advantage of those services is to get them into the shelter.


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The city council said Las Vegas has committed $16 million to the Courtyard Homeless Resource Center, which provides housing and a range of other services to address chronic homelessness.
Having said that, $16 million may not be enough.


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Las Vegas is one of a number of cities across the country with a significant number of homeless people because of a combination of expensive rent, job loss, addiction and lack of mental health services.
Let's try for 25-30 years outsourcing to other countries jobs that challenged people could do right here and import opiates and other devastating substances from countries where those jobs went, see how that combination works out on US soil.


On the other hand, mental illness is an even deeper challenge, and I'm not sure if any amount of money would alleviate that problem; it would take, instead, an army of sincere warm-hearted but also professionally trained people, in addition to paying them and for infrastructure.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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In an attempt to get homeless people off city streets, the Las Vegas City Council has passed an ordinance that makes it a crime to camp or sleep on a city sidewalk.

Supporters of the ordinance, which passed 5-2 on Wednesday, say it's an attempt to push the more than 6,500 homeless people and families in southern Nevada into homeless shelters while also protecting the health and safety of the community.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/us/la...ing/index.html
Good, Las Vegas has a huge tourist industry of people with jobs, who spend a lot of money while they are there. Tourism also provides employment to many of the people who live there. San Francisco doesn’t have the sense to recognize the homeless are keeping tourists and money out of their city. What tourist wants to step around piles of poop?

Instead of shuffling them around, it would be nice to see intervention. A lot of homeless could be off the drugs and working if they had some help. Ignoring them will never solve this problem.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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They can send them to Portland on a $39 flight.
Plenty of space on freeway frontage / traffic circles / city parks.
No hassles from police.
No air conditioning required. / lots of friends and dogs to associate with.
Can share RVs parked at city parks or try to get a spot at Dignity Village (homeless compound / self managed, so they are pretty picky about which homeless can stay there). https://dignityvillage.org/

Be careful about sending them to San Antonio. They have a "back-to-W-O-R-K " program.

But you are safe in Portland.

Seattle is a coffee city, so the homeless are caffeinated and violent (will rob you).
Portland is a beer city, mellow behaviors. Lots of bridges to live under when raining. River View, no property taxes!
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