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Old 03-03-2024, 05:04 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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in what context? in the movie? in the box?
Hypothetically, how about 'in the gun', for joe or jane blow, the actor with no real experience other than a hurried safety course? (putting aside for the moment how much experience the actors in this movie actually had)
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Old 03-03-2024, 11:28 AM
 
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Hypothetically, how about 'in the gun', for joe or jane blow, the actor with no real experience other than a hurried safety course? (putting aside for the moment how much experience the actors in this movie actually had)
from the interviews I've seen everyone involved was able to articulate how to identify a dummy and blank round.
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Old 03-03-2024, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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in what context? in the movie? in the box?
Someone said the actor should have looked in the chambers. Would an actor know the difference?
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Old 03-03-2024, 03:31 PM
 
Location: tampa bay
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Someone said the actor should have looked in the chambers. Would an actor know the difference?
I think by the testimony given the bullet should be shaken...so not sure if its already loaded how anyone let alone an actor could tell! Very sad and needless death...the most time in jail this young woman can receive is only 18months unless prosecution proves she deliberately loaded live rounds which they haven't brought up in trial thus far.
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Old 03-03-2024, 04:12 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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'blanks' are physically visibly different than live.

A knowledgeable person can definitely distinguish from firing pin, even without
removing from chamber.

Secondly, blanks rattle (if removed from chamber). #2 in command should have
verified using both methods, before handing off and proclaiming 'cold' weapon.

Armorer job includes firearms safety training for staff and crew. (Lots of important responsibilities).

This armorer had a previous reputation for negligence in her responsibility.

The low budget of this production, failed
to attract other armorers who were
solicited.

This armorer had displayed casual
tolerance, and substance abuse that alarmed others to escalate her issues and other set safety responsibility protocols.

There was contention and possible strike discussion on this set. (regarding safety)

Very sad these pre-existing red flags did not draw attention to those responsible and in authority to do something to bring about order and discipline. It could have saved a life.

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Old 03-03-2024, 04:44 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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I also think Baldwin had to have pulled the trigger. I just cannot imagine the gun being fired any other way.
Several pistols of this variety can be fired by cocking and releasing the hammer ('thumb action', in addition / instead of trigger action). This particular weapon is NOT supposed to fire with the hammer (according to expert witness), but Alec admitted to using his thumb on the hammer, but didn't THINK the gun would fire using the hammer (but it did). The hammer strikes the firing pin, whether released by the thumb, or actuated by the trigger (in many western style revolvers).

https://www.triangleshootingacademy....striker-fired/
https://thereload.com/analysis-yes-a...g-the-trigger/

A single-action revolver usually requires the hammer to be manually cocked, and the trigger be pulled for a shot to be fired. That’s why it’s referred to as a single-action: because the trigger performs just one action. It drops the hammer. In a double-action revolver, on the other hand, the trigger can both **** and release the hammer.

However, a single-action revolver with the old-style firing mechanism can fire without either the hammer being cocked or the trigger being pulled. When the hammer is down on that kind of revolver, the firing pin protrudes and, if a live round is loaded in the chamber underneath, a sharp enough jolt can cause the pin to strike the round’s primer with enough force to set it off.


'Decocking anxiety' even amongst the pros.
Yes. Ask my lil brother. He has a hole in his foot from playing with a 1911. He let the hammer down too quick and it went off and he put a 185gr Silvertip hollowpoint through his right foot.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...o-fast.220785/

When using mechanical devices (such as lethal firearms), expect a mechanical failure could occur. I think those of use who have had alarming 'close calls' recognize and respect that possibility. (even a probability!) when a bunch of non-professionals are playing with weapons.
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Old 03-03-2024, 04:56 PM
 
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Someone said the actor should have looked in the chambers. Would an actor know the difference?
the principal actors in this movie seemed to have been able to do that. police interviews elicited that they knew the difference.
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Old 03-03-2024, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Whether Baldwin is held criminally responsible or not, he was the one responsible.

As a producer, he could have insisted on hiring a competent, experience armorer.

He should have checked the gun when it was handed to him.

He should never have aimed the gun at another person.

Ever.

Loaded or not.
All of that's true, but why use a real gun in the first place? Ir it's muzzle flash, that can always be CGI'd in these days.
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Old 03-04-2024, 07:12 AM
 
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All of that's true, but why use a real gun in the first place? Ir it's muzzle flash, that can always be CGI'd in these days.
I don't think there is any better excuse other than "that's the way everyone does it". Sometimes it takes an incident like this to get changes.
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Old 03-04-2024, 07:33 AM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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All of that's true, but why use a real gun in the first place? Ir it's muzzle flash, that can always be CGI'd in these days.
Does that fit in with 'low budget' though?
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