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The kids in the advanced classes at my kids' schools are disproportionately immigrants/children of foreign-born workers (from all over the world-Asian, European, South American, African - there are lots of intl. corp. near us). This tells you something. My American born/raised children stand out like a sore thumb in these classes. Why, in a school district of, say, 10% immigrant, are the advanced classes 90% immigrant?
I have absolutely no problem with this, btw, but I think Americans can learn a thing or two from our immigrant populations. My friend, who is a Korean born Dr. and well-traveled, is always asking me why American parents aren't more focused on their children's education. I have no answer for her.
I think we need to look at what we are doing as an American culture where we are de-emphasizing academics, at the expense of our future work force.
Foreign-born parents are often able to find our good school districts (like mine) and supplement their kids' education appropriately. They are figuring out how to use the educational system (even the public system) to their child's advantage. Their kids are going on to achieve higher academics, attend top colleges, and become well-prepared for jobs.
You realize when you're talking about those immigrants, you're talking about a cherry-picked sample, right? Their American equivalents are going to private schools and then to the high-end universities.
I agree with this. Another symptom of this is our obesity levels and hours spent on passive media. Many Americans prioritize too much on being entertained and making things "easy." This has led to some poor decisions on curriculum and career training (although I guess Call of Duty can prepare for the military....) The priority/value put on passive, easy entertainment vs. discipline/hard work and its joy/reward is out of balance for many I think.
The Army complains that 75% of applicants are not qualified for training into any Army occupation for various reasons, including educational deficiency.
The Army complains that 75% of applicants are not qualified for training into any Army occupation for various reasons, including educational deficiency.
The Army, no doubt, would attract those with little private sector Fair Market Value, so that is hardly a shock.
You realize when you're talking about those immigrants, you're talking about a cherry-picked sample, right? Their American equivalents are going to private schools and then to the high-end universities.
My peers and I are their American equivalents - similar socioeconomic/education levels. I am comparing apples to apples. Highly educated American parents to similar highly educated foreign born parents, all in well paid professions (E.g. CEO's/execs, medicine, law, finance, engineering, etc.). In my experience, and ingeneral, foreign born parents overly stress the importance of being academically competitive, whereas American parents overly stress the importance of being athletically competitive.
Also, it is untrue that their American equivalents are all going to private schools. Public schools in the wealthy zip codes are as competitive (or more so) than the top private schools (my kids attended both). Kids in the top tracks at the top U.S. public schools are more likely to go on to top tier universities than their private school counterparts. Ask any college admission counselor about this. The public schools in wealthy areas have plenty of parents who have the donation $, political connections, and legacy status to influence admissions at the top universities.
Untrue, my peers and I are their American equivalents. I am comparing apples to apples. Highly educated American parents to similar highly educated foreign parents, all in well paid professions (E.g. CEO's/execs, medicine, law, finance, etc.).
Okay, fine. Highly educated American parents to similar highly educated foreign parents, all in well paid professions (E.g. CEO's/execs, medicine, law, finance, etc.). So you acknowledge that you're comparing cherries to cherries. That means you can't speak in generalization about "Americans."
Okay, fine. Highly educated American parents to similar highly educated foreign parents, all in well paid professions (E.g. CEO's/execs, medicine, law, finance, etc.). So you acknowledge that you're comparing cherries to cherries. That means you can't speak in generalization about "Americans."
Yes, I am comparing cherries to cherries. But I suspect the same trends trickle down to the apples to apples. Are the children of immigrants more likely to move up the socioeconomic ladder than their American counterparts?
Okay, fine. Highly educated American parents to similar highly educated foreign parents, all in well paid professions (E.g. CEO's/execs, medicine, law, finance, etc.). So you acknowledge that you're comparing cherries to cherries. That means you can't speak in generalization about "Americans."
One trend is that with a diverse young generation, it would gradually fade the post 1960s white liberalism. It probably is a constructive trend. Immigrants possess the industriousness of early Americans, pioneers, and entrepreneurs. The success of immigrants is all good for those who want this country to remain entrepreneurial. Socialism in the U.S. Has always been predominantly white, liberal, and elite. Successful immigrants of color will become role models for colored Americans to pursue success and preserve freedom. Color is nonpartisan. Immigrants, especially highly educated ones, don't automatically identify with white liberals and their culture. They do today because this alliance is a Republican Party creation. Make no mistake, a doctor from India, an engineer from china, and a financial analyst from Russia have little overlap with the elitist white liberal class. They do not need much welfare, affirmative action, or high property tax.
You realize when you're talking about those immigrants, you're talking about a cherry-picked sample, right? Their American equivalents are going to private schools and then to the high-end universities.
this, when I was growing up I was first placed in private schools.
then when I went to public schools due to financial difficulty from parents,
my scores on the standardized tests were in the top 99% in elementary school.
then later on as time progressed my lead dropped.
so it seems the problem is largely the schools themselves in the public school system dragging down students.
I do agree lots of students are bad ones which always take the easy way out without putting in work.
instead of actually working on their own papers they will rather copy someone else.
cutting corners basically.
you know basically what we have in society today.
most of these kids when i went to college took business degrees because they wanted to get rich quick and it is much easier...
basically our wall street elites types.
::barf::
most of the people in the harder subjects have harder times learning and getting high grades but they do learn something useful.
people in college are so hung up on getting 4.0 gpa for life that they refuse to take hard classes.
so in programming classes when I was taking some of them. there were 25% Russians 25% Asian 25% Jews and 25% a mix of regular Americans.
most of the other Americans were taking Business classes.
like finance and accounting majors.
or some lawyer degrees.
and Psychology.
business majors are 90% worthless.
even studying economic theory is worthless because one can just read a book and it would be the same thing.
lawyer degrees in the sue happy America? = not productive to society = worthless to humanity
I do not like those degrees.
for the rich let them study art as their past time. and have their daddy bankroll most of their future wealth again.
they have connections and in that industry it is much easier for the elites. so they can become super stars if they want without talent or they can gain it much more easily than others which are poor and have to work their lives off and be lucky enough to cut a break.
BUT:
society needs: science majors something practical which can create things. to look to the future. everything else is worthless at this point as we are still in a recession.
we have to innovate our way past the government lead tyranny and circumvent them else we will always be stuck in this state.
so we need
food water energy medicine :
meaning largely doctors,
engineers and programmers.
everything else is pretty much worthless right now.
we have to counter the inflation that OBAMA + ben bernanke and now Janet Yellen is causing and will cause. So we need to fight them off despite the head winds.
So employers please you need to start teaching our young people the skills necessary instead of pushing them aside, who knows maybe they will actually trust employers again and
return the favor you know?
Train them and whip them into shape even the older ones if you want.
Also College teaches the foundation TO LEARN the skills necessary.
So NOT ALL SKILLS are learned in college only the skills needed to LEARN the skills the industry wants is taught.
some people/employers have major dis-information of what colleges actually are.
Last edited by gen811; 03-18-2014 at 09:49 PM..
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