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Old 03-14-2018, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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They can just kill the baby after it is born, that generally does not cost anything.
LOL! Infanticide is an option for those morally opposed to Abortion. I suspect you're the life of the party.
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Old 03-14-2018, 07:24 PM
 
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Life is unfair. It is also nasty, brutish and short. Then you die.
Geez, you're seriously going to use this as an argument????

Life is unfair, so let's just have slavery. Life is unfair, so let's kill Jews.

No, no, no, no!!!!!

"Life is unfair" is not an insight into how our society should be run. It is a moral copout.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Geez, you're seriously going to use this as an argument????

Life is unfair, so let's just have slavery. Life is unfair, so let's kill Jews.

No, no, no, no!!!!!

"Life is unfair" is not an insight into how our society should be run. It is a moral copout.
Decaf, ncole1; switch to decaf. this is just an internet chat board.
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Old 03-14-2018, 11:50 PM
 
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Education is key and not just throwing people in a ghetto to allow cultural influences to get out of hand. Crime is driven heavily by poverty, remove poverty and crime drops considerably.

We've done poorly with managing poverty and a lot of it had to do with the bottom 80% or so seeing stagnant wage growth for decades now.

Education has little to do with it. Intelligence is a matter of genes. Some people have the capacity to be intelligent but require stimulation. But most people would land where they land without education just as they would with it. Maybe years ago that wasn’t the case but nowadays with so much information available at the touch of a finger, formal education is not necessary. Those who are intelligent would seek out knowledge on their own and those who aren’t don’t benefit from being exposed to it in school anyway. Actually, the whole concept of education is not conducive to acquiring and cultivating knowledge. Kids being fed biased information and forced to memorize it and repeat it on tests is not helpful. This is especially the case when most of what is taught does not have any useful application in real life and even if it did would be forgotten very quickly. When people acquire knowledge beneficial or useful to them, they remember. When people memorize for tests it is forgotten quickly.

Yes crime is driven by poverty but genes do play a significant role. It is very hard to ignore that the highest rates of crime and violence occur with specific populations. After suffering for 50 years under communism, Eastern European countries have a much lower murder rate than Haiti or the Congo or Detroit or the favelas in Rio. Look at India with many people ******** on the streets and extreme poverty, the murder rate is still considerably less. Look at Vietnam that was at war for over a hundred years and the murder rate is still much less. China has to deal with 1.5 billion people in a country similar in size to the U.S. but the murder rate is still lower.
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:07 AM
 
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Whatever the case may be, you don’t help the poor by stealing from higher earners through forced taxation, because that’s what taxation is: stealing by the government. If you want products and services, pay for them. If you don’t want those products and services don’t pay for them. Not only is stealing wrong but taxation and its redistribution creates an artificial environment with regard to jobs that wouldn’t exist otherwise. It is encourages a select group of individuals to overly benefit at the expense of everyone else because they have an incentive to be inefficient with their jobs and lives. The more “free” stuff offered in the form of welfare or healthcare, the more poor people there will be because they don’t have to work for it. They rather be poor. The more babies they will have that raises levels of crime and violence and perpetuates poverty, just to get more benefits. Government workers have no incentive to do a great job because creating or perpetuating problems is good job security. They will always say they need more money to solve more problems that they themselves foster or create. The war on drugs, revenue generation through ticketing and bridges to nowhere are a perfect example of this. And private companies who are contracted like defense companies, drug companies, private prisons, and even construction companies, have an incentive to oppose changes to laws that would eliminate problems (like decriminalization and not wasting billions/trillions on unneeded weapons or bad programs like the F-35 or DDG).
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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How about the following article? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...est-tax-burden





Denmark's top marginal effective income tax rate for individuals is the highest in the world at either 60.4 percent (taxfoundation.org) or 66.95% (wikipedia & https://www.skat.dk/skat.aspx?oid=2035568)

Denmark's government correctly concluded that such a high tax rate has discouraged workers from working, and has contributed to a chronic labor shortage. They hope to encourage people who have left the labor force to re-enter it.
True, but a recent analysis of one new piece of legislation to encourage Danes to re-enter the labor force by cutting the length of unemployment benefits shows that it has had virtually no impact. At the same time, both liberal and conservative governments have refused to lower the highest marginal tax rate in any significant way. The one bright spot is that more and more non-western immigrants are becoming educated and entering the labor market, despite both group's obsession with killing off immigration by non-westerners and making the lives of those who do immigrate miserable.
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Education is key and not just throwing people in a ghetto to allow cultural influences to get out of hand. Crime is driven heavily by poverty, remove poverty and crime drops considerably.

We've done poorly with managing poverty and a lot of it had to do with the bottom 80% or so seeing stagnant wage growth for decades now.
The impoverished in this country have a better life and better shot at succeeding than 99% of the population in the world born in countries like North Korea or Afghanistan.

Military is key, serve your country. Free education, free mortgage through a VA loan, free healthcare, etc.

It’s the only free thing anyone can do. If you don’t qualify to serve your country (criminal record, obesity, drugs, tattoos, medical, debt) then you probably weren’t going to be a good contribution to society to begin with.
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Old 03-15-2018, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Geez, you're seriously going to use this as an argument????

Life is unfair, so let's just have slavery. Life is unfair, so let's kill Jews.

No, no, no, no!!!!!

"Life is unfair" is not an insight into how our society should be run. It is a moral copout.

Life is unfair. And the notion that imperfect humans who have grossly contributed to making life unfair, can magically make it fair is hilarious.

Just being born into this world is unfair. Some people are born rich, poor, tall, short, stupid, intelligence, fat, skinny, big penis, small penis, male pattern baldness, big breasts, small breast, ugly, handsome, medical history in the family, personality disorder, genetic predispositions, adopted, no father, no mother, no father or mother, dynsfuctional household, etc.

And that’s just being born. And you think life can ever be fair? How? It’s unfair but you do the best you can.
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Old 03-15-2018, 02:18 AM
 
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Just like you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink you can lead a man to the unemployment office but you can't make him take a job. Some people simply don't want to work.
I keep hearing about people applying for 50-100 jobs or more and maybe getting a hand full of interviews and no offers. I think that this line of thinking is the easy way out to help staunch republicans and supporters of capitalism sleep better at night.

Because if 100% ALL of the people struggling are just lazy, drunk, drug addicted bums then you (and by extension the republican party and the most greedy among us) dont have any conscious issues.

If bad luck, lay offs, etc play a roll (which any thinking intellectually honest person knows they do) then suddenly this becomes a societal moral issue. So because person A and person B both worked hard but only person A got a key lucky break that means that person B should just struggle or be homeless, etc?

Not talking about the drug addict bum who refuses to apply himself here.

I am hoping that the people who are self diluting themselves so they can sleep at night start to become more of the minority. Also as more and more people are effected by mass lay offs or have a close friend or relative who are it starts to shift peoples political opinions. It can take a LONG time to replace a job after a lay off, even a lower paying job.

As mass lay offs become more and more prolific it will be harder to use the dirty drunk bum as a scape goat anymore.
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Old 03-15-2018, 02:30 AM
 
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Life is unfair. And the notion that imperfect humans who have grossly contributed to making life unfair, can magically make it fair is hilarious.

Just being born into this world is unfair. Some people are born rich, poor, tall, short, stupid, intelligence, fat, skinny, big penis, small penis, male pattern baldness, big breasts, small breast, ugly, handsome, medical history in the family, personality disorder, genetic predispositions, adopted, no father, no mother, no father or mother, dynsfuctional household, etc.

And that’s just being born. And you think life can ever be fair? How? It’s unfair but you do the best you can.
This is how the rationalization starts to slowly get us back to death camps, slavery and indentered servitude. I have seen people on other forums/sites suggest bringing back a "kinder and gentler" intentured servitude to pay off student loans. The evil narcisists are just giving attrocities kinder gentler names to fool simple minded people.

Pretty soon the handicaped will go to wellness camps. We are not talking about peoples dick size here, we are talking about econmic warfare agaisnt the american people. People need to have a right to work and make a living.

There are some sick people in positions of power in the USA right now.
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