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Old 09-23-2017, 07:45 PM
 
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That was all before we LOST our manufacturing plants to 3rd world countries.

I did NOT attend college but a year or so of business school in my early days.

Today it's said everyone needs college degrees to get a good job and even with the degrees are scrounging for work.

My grandkids are so stressed out working to get their degrees and to me it just seems so wrong. We gave up so much industries, for some cleaner air, that's what we were told years ago.

So many towns that had big industry are now suffering with no jobs.

Today's cost of living is out of sight for so so many. When I found out a few yrs ago that my favorite shoe brand was now being produced in China, I knew it was all such a lost cause for America and other countries. Shoes are no less money, but more profits for you know who.
It wasn't for cleaner air. It was for profits.

You cannot go back, and you cannot relive the past. Be here now.
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Old 09-23-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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Things change. Roll with the changes or get left behind.
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Old 09-23-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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It wasn't for cleaner air. It was for profits.

You cannot go back, and you cannot relive the past. Be here now.
In some cases it was simply no longer viable due to our more stringent EPA regs...

When I was a kid there were lots of small manufacturing type businesses I would walk by on the way to school... bunch of plating shops, battery and paint manufacturers, etc...

Not a single one left... and the reason is compliance and profit were no longer possible.

The Battery Plant is a super fund site and millions have been spent on mitigation...

Plating and Oil Paints required many environmental safeguards so they also just about disappeared.
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:07 PM
 
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Even food plants are gone. There were three major sugar plants within 50 miles of my house growing up. Slaughterhouses are owned by the same major companies and pay crap wages because they can.
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:10 PM
 
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Lesson learned. Keep your skills superior than those in 3rd world countries.
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:41 PM
 
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That was all before we LOST our manufacturing plants to 3rd world countries.

I did NOT attend college but a year or so of business school in my early days.

Today it's said everyone needs college degrees to get a good job and even with the degrees are scrounging for work.

My grandkids are so stressed out working to get their degrees and to me it just seems so wrong. We gave up so much industries, for some cleaner air, that's what we were told years ago.

So many towns that had big industry are now suffering with no jobs.

Today's cost of living is out of sight for so so many. When I found out a few yrs ago that my favorite shoe brand was now being produced in China, I knew it was all such a lost cause for America and other countries. Shoes are no less money, but more profits for you know who.
We did not give up industries for cleaner air....although that would certainly be a good reason. What is the good of having a job, if you can't breathe clean air? There is nothing as important as good health.

Our country had and has laws that made the workplace safer, like safety guards on equipment, respirators, etc. And laws that made the workplace less environmentally destructive, like dumping toxic waste in the local lake or in the ground to seep into the water supply, or spewing chemicals into the air. Those are good laws.

You wanna go live in China, where there's lead in the lettuce from runoff of mining into the farm grounds? Go ahead.

Fact: Statistically, people with a degree earn much more than people w/o a degree.

Fact: No one is saying that everyone needs a 4 yr degree. It depends on what they want to do for a living, doesn't it?

Fact: There is more to education than a career. A college education is valuable for (1) showing you can be disciplined enough to go the distance and accomplish a long term goal; (2) enlarge a person's horizons and general knowledge; (3) teach a person to engage in discussions with a variety of different kinds of people; (4) teach a person to bear down and learn things they may not be interested in (like the workplace); (4) giving a basis for a career.

If your kids/grandkids are suffering by going to college, why are they doing it? They don't have to. They can quit like you and I did, then they'll be quitters like we were. Unless they find a trade or skill or business to open, you pretty much know what their lives will be without a degree. That's neither good nor bad.

Trade agreements had a lot to do with the industries leaving. NAFTA started it all.

But to keep industries here, we can't become like those other countries. We don't want to be Mexico or China. Besides, industries are still here. They are different industries, though. The world has progressed. The people who made great buggies didn't go out of business because of environmental regs or their prices were too high. Progress put them out of business.
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Old 09-23-2017, 08:50 PM
 
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There isn't an easy or obvious one. That was my point. It's the elephant in the room no one wants to talk or think about. But we at least need to start thinking about it.
Most likely basic income. A lot of these people are already on some kind of public assistance anyway.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:07 PM
 
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Even food plants are gone. There were three major sugar plants within 50 miles of my house growing up. Slaughterhouses are owned by the same major companies and pay crap wages because they can.
Yes... all the canneries that employed many and the machine shops that kept industry tooled have all but vanished where I am... at one time my city was called the Detroit of the West with auto and truck plants, assorted support industries, etc... all a memory.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:07 PM
 
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A thousand dollar mortgage? Is this 1991?
Re-read what you are replying to. (Why do all your posts have to sound like a whine?)

The person said that the $1K could go *towards* a mortgage payment, which does not necessarily mean cover the entire monthly payment
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:13 PM
 
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Re-read what you are replying to. (Why do all your posts have to sound like a whine?)

The person said that the $1K could go *towards* a mortgage payment, which does not necessarily mean cover the entire monthly payment
1k is probably property taxes on a house these days.
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