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Old 01-12-2019, 07:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133 View Post
you should invest in companies unless they pay you the dividends to justify the purchase price. If not, then is just a ponzi scheme you are buying into



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total nonsense!!!!

 
Old 01-12-2019, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by lieqiang View Post
You have no idea what you're talking about.

A ponzi scheme needs new investors to return a profit since there is no actual investment in anything that has value, new investor money is used to pay returns to old investors. If I invest in the stock of a company that doesn't return dividends, it can still return a profit because the company grow (in actual or perceived) value. It doesn't take any new investors for the stock price to rise along with the performance of a company, if it has 1,000 outstanding shares and doubles in size/sales/rev each share will be worth more and I can sell mine for a profit. This is not a ponzi scheme.

Sometimes I think "ponzi scheme" is the most overused term by people who understand the least.
Perceived value is tied with investment.

The more people invest in stocks, the higher they go. I know raise in value precedes investments thanks to quarterly earnings and industry positions, but if people sell their stocks, or buy stocks, that has an affect because it’s directly tied with perceived value.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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No, not really.

The cotton agricultural economy no longer was deemed non-efficient in terms of state power both internationally as concerned with competition and domestically as concerned with tax revenue and flexibility.

The Whigs and the Tories came around to supporting free trade in India and elsewhere because they could expand their share in Markets of the competing empires like the French, the Dutch and the Russians.
And the hilarity continues.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Furthermore people will be happier not trying to become millionaires and building a life rather than making a living.
Poor people always want to steal money from the rich.

Robin Hood lives on.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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And the hilarity continues.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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And the hilarity continues.
Is that really the best you have?

Anyways it is true.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Poor people always want to steal money from the rich.

Robin Hood lives on.
The rich don't make money, they own it.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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It’s just the beginning of the year, but this thread is a strong front runner for most moronic idea of the year.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It’s just the beginning of the year, but this thread is a strong front runner for most moronic idea of the year.
and yet you still haven't explained why.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 12:52 PM
 
Location: East TN
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I don't invest in the stock market and neither should you, it puts economic well being in danger and makes you a slave to the value of the corporate sector and leads you to support destructive public policy to save the wealth you have locked up in the market.

If taxes were raised to 90% 401ks and other investment tools would become less attractive and production/economic activity will become less inflated by capital investment and greed.
And how would those individuals with 401k's fund their retirements if they are earning virtually nothing in their company's retirement savings plan???
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