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His biggest mistake with the republicans is that he is against the military industrial complex which is one of the biggest contributors to the republican party
That actually is Paul's biggest plus for voting for him.
But your right, it's more the Libertarian Party platform,
than Republican.
As far as the military industrial complex being the biggest
contributor to the republican party - they are really
party blind. It's who ever is in office - they contribute to
both sides. They are actually the same party, militarily speaking
Someone just wants you to think they are different
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Originally Posted by Voyageur
The hero-worship as manifested in the reverant appeal-to-authority of calling him "Dr. Paul" incessantly is weird.
I guess some folks feel once a person earns the title
of physician "Dr" they deserve the respect to be called
that What a silly notion
Let me get this straight...perhaps I'm interpreting your post incorrectly. You claim to be a libertarian but you support both the War on Drugs and Terror?
Apparently hes the Koch bro's brand ... That means neo-con in libertarian's clothing.
I am a Libertarian. As such, I do NOT support Ron Paul. I do not believe in his approach to drugs or his approach to foreign policy matters. I do believe in states rights and small federal government, and I do believe that the size of our government has led to massive corruption. I do agree with some of what Ron Paul says, but there is enought that I don't support him on, that I can not support him.
Can you be more specific? How can a libertarian not support liberty?
Ron Paul people are confused. Most that I know are for doing away with Social Security and those same people would not be able to survive without it. The same for Medicare.
They have been watching Fox News and listening to the Right-Wing nut jobs Limbaugh,O'reilly,and Coulter,etc.
I can't help but feel sorry for them.
I'm always hearing supporters of Ron Paul talk about drug legalization. That's even fine with me if and only if all drug addicts were tossed off all welfare programs and not given free health care when they OD, no free rehab paid by taxpayers.
These are two different symptoms of the same disease, but still are different matters and both need to be solved.
RP supporters believe that you have a right to your own body, to do what you please with it, even if those decisions are harmful to yourself and yourself alone. You still have a right to make bad decisions and decide what's best for your body. The govt does NOT have a right to prevent you from using drugs, nor does it have a right to imprison you to a facility that dramatically puts you at risk of assault, rape, and murder for using or distributing such drugs.
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His open borders stance also bothers me -- how do we allow in millions of uneducated low skilled types who have no way to make it on their own with our very high costs of living, allow them to take any job at any wage and vote in our elections and think they won't turn around and elect socialists who promise them everything they want no matter what it costs taxpayers?
You are misinformed on the open borders.
Again, the immigration is a problem now because the economy is a problem. Why wasn't anyone complaining about illegal immigration in the 80's and 90's? Why didn't they build a fence then? The reason is because we needed those immigrants at the time, they had an important role in the economy. Illegal immigration has quickly become an easy scape goat for the employment problem, but they're not the cause.
You want to solve illegal immigration? Stop providing the benefits and handouts. If you stop giving them welfare, stop giving them citizenship for having a child on our soil, stop educating them, stop giving them medical treatment....they will stop coming.
Ron Paul people are confused. Most that I know are for doing away with Social Security and those same people would not be able to survive without it. The same for Medicare.
They have been watching Fox News and listening to the Right-Wing nut jobs Limbaugh,O'reilly,and Coulter,etc.
I can't help but feel sorry for them.
Social Security isn't a bad thing necessarily, and you have a right to your opinion.
What you're confused about is that Ron Paul supporters just want the choice to opt out of social security if they don't believe in it. Right now the govt is forcing everyone to contribute. I believe I should be able to decideif I want to enroll in social security or not.
Personally: I'd rather have the extra cash and save/invest the money to my preference and plan for my future on my own.
Ron Paul people are confused. Most that I know are for doing away with Social Security and those same people would not be able to survive without it. The same for Medicare.
They have been watching Fox News and listening to the Right-Wing nut jobs Limbaugh,O'reilly,and Coulter,etc.
I can't help but feel sorry for them.
Huh? I would not support Ron Paul if that were the case. Why does everything have to be black or white? Just because he doesn't believe social security should be mandatory doesn't mean he will do away with it.
Ron Paul is all about options and the freedom to pursue those options. With freedom comes personal responsibility and prosperity. I can't think of anything more American.
How unsurprising that the blatant plagiarist issues a bold-faced lie when called on it!
Nice job, slackjaw...
That post is in another totally different thread and it has clickable links.
What's the beef?
Has nothing to do with this thread, but give you a diversion to hide behind.
you have been Pwned!
First of all, the Constitution is not the embodiment of the eighteenth century. It is the product of thousands of years of history, economics, politics, diplomacy, philosophy, and intelligence. It was created by men who lived at the height of many tyrannies. They were educated men who understood things that many don't even bother to read anymore. What they put together is by far the finest constitution every created, and it has been praised worldwide by men of learning. Returning to a constitutional government is not returning to a primitive society. It is returning to a free America.
He wants to bring our military home because we can't afford the wars. Which is more likely to protect us from that one hypothetical bomb? The soldiers here, protecting us directly, or the soldiers over there, leaving us open to attack while the congress slowly erodes our rights in order to "protect" us?
FYI, Iran does not yet have a bomb that anyone knows of.
Ron Paul is in favor of "closing" the borders. He just doesn't think a fence will accomplish the task. It would be more effective to take away the incentive to come here illegally.
Ron Paul is 100% pro-2nd amendment. You are mistaken.
He doesn't plan to do away with the money we have. You are mistaken on that as well.
His rantings sound wild to you because you aren't educated in the particulars of political science. If he has moments where he pauses, it's no doubt to resist the temptation to be a liar like the rest of them and gather the courage to stand by his convictions, whatever the cost to his reputation.
And we don't know, by the way, if he can debate. The moderators barely ever give him the chance.
I've also heard him give plenty of solutions. Perhaps you should listen more closely. Assuming you've listened at all in the first place. Most of your assumptions about him are completely mistaken, indicating you don't really know his platform. If you claim that you've watched all the debates, read all books, and read everything about him, then I say you are a liar. No one can have so many false ideas under those circumstances. One need only do a search on Wikipedia to find out the errors you've shown
Ron Paul people are confused. Most that I know are for doing away with Social Security and those same people would not be able to survive without it. The same for Medicare.
They have been watching Fox News and listening to the Right-Wing nut jobs Limbaugh,O'reilly,and Coulter,etc.
I can't help but feel sorry for them.
Your either lying or very misinformed.
Limbaugh,O'reilly,and Coulter, hate Ron Paul. He goes against their beloved political establishment.
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