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Old 11-19-2011, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Wow that doesn't sound very Constitutional to me. This is part of the reason that there are calls to amend the Constitution as to the 14th amendment, namely it is already settled law. So I can't see how Ron Paul can force courts to reinterpret things.
Congress makes laws not the courts or the Presidents although they do. THAT is constitutional.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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Congress makes laws not the courts or the Presidents although they do. THAT is constitutional.
were you ok with obama ordering the assassination of al-awaki?
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm always hearing supporters of Ron Paul talk about drug legalization. That's even fine with me if and only if all drug addicts were tossed off all welfare programs and not given free health care when they OD, no free rehab paid by taxpayers.

I have never used a drug, I don't drink, smoke, and avoid pills period.

But I think you summed up one shred here. many that want legalization of drugs, don't want tax money going to welfare of the drug abusers. I know, its a big-boy idea, not a mommy please take care of me concept.

Why do we spend so much tax payer money on enforcing drug laws? And why do drug-using, tax-payers, get some kind of exemption from the benefits that everyone else gets? There are a quite a few contradictions with such logic, and that's something you need to sort through.

Why not use a cost:benefit analysis to determine what works the best? Why not legalize the drugs, tax them, and instead, use more money in education and prevention, than use money on the highest incarceration rate in the world? If you think it's moral and smart to ignore what works, and you would rather have kids with easier access to heroine, meth, crack, marijuana, then they have access to alcohol and tobacco, then I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I'll accept the overwhelming facts, over some "feeler" impression of how things work.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:55 PM
 
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Too devoted to Ron Paul. However, they do come off as if they believe they are the only people devoted to freedom and liberty. And of course if you disagree with them, then you are not sufficiently devoted to freedom and liberty. Why yes, they are a bit nutty.
What is nutty is embracing the belief that more of the same (which is working none too well) is a solution to our problems. Your ideology is little different from that of liberals that claim the same policies that have proven themselves as failures time and again will somehow work if only the candidate they support is elected.

Your objections are not based in reality.
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Old 11-19-2011, 09:59 PM
 
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outbacknv, madeinamerica, would also like your comments on the question i asked loveshiscountry.

are you ok with obama ordering the assassination of the american terorist anwar al-awlaki?

i like paul, but think he is way off on this one, and support obama signing his death warrant.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:04 PM
 
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outbacknv, madeinamerica, would also like your comments on the question i asked loveshiscountry.

are you ok with obama ordering the assassination of the american terorist anwar al-awlaki?

i like paul, but think he is way off on this one, and support obama signing his death warrant.
No, I don't support the President having the power to sign death warrants against US citizens.

Even if the use of that power was correct in the case of Anwar al-Awlaki allowing the executive branch the power to issue orders of assassination is setting a dangerous precedent that can and will be misused in the future.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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were you ok with obama ordering the assassination of al-awaki?
No. If possible he should have been captured alive and brought to trial. Just like we've done before. Nazi war criminals are one example.
The Seals do have a right to defend themselves.
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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madeinamerica

are you ok with obama ordering the assassination of the american terorist anwar al-awlaki?
Are you asking me if I am okay with a President abusing power, or if I am okay with a President declaring that a citizen who practiced free-speech was labeled a terrorist for nothing more than speech? Personally, I don't support Obama's method. We had far too many options that were ignored. The easiest, In my opinion, and this may not be that of Ron Paul, would be to process and revoke Al-Awlaki's citizenship. Once his citizenship is revoked through due process, Obama would have covered his ass. I don't see any reason why a President, with all of the resources at his disposal, would have a difficult time doing so in a expedient manor. I also don't like that innocent lives were killed and filed as collateral damage, and somehow this was justified? How would you like it if the house next door to you was rented out, and one day a free-speech terrorist moved in without your knowing. One day you come home from work to find out that your family died as collateral damage. Would that be acceptable to you? Would you support the President that called for this strike?

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Old 11-20-2011, 02:15 AM
 
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Notice its the ones with female names. Who goes onto a political forum looking for dates except those that live in their moms basement?



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Us Paul/Libertarian folks - we're just CRAZY

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Old 11-20-2011, 02:47 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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I haven't owned a television since 1993.

I knew in the late 1980s/early 1990s that the US ruling class was dead serious about the war for oil.

But completely deceptive about the war on drugs: instead of selling under-the-table operating licenses to private gangs and pocketing the commissions for themselves, while sporadically cracking down on those who dare to operate without one amidst great media fanfare, a more consicentious ruling class would legalize it, tax it, and let at least some of the revenue to trickle down to the general population through the pension, welfare, and education systems, like they do with gambling, i.e. lotteries/casinos, though obviously they traffic in those as well.

Figure it out.

Ron Paul's greatest asset is that he understands the relationship between money supply, productivity, and productive investment on US soil, while no other politician is able, or allowed, to even talk about it for as long as the US ruling class's priority is global power while the economy and population on US soil play second fiddle.

However, I do not take him seriously on talk about returning to the gold standard. History shows that corrupt men can corrupt the gold standard too.

A fiat money system can work adequately if increases in money supply are geared to increases in productivity and growth in productive investment, not some some social engineering goals that are just as cockamamie as they are insincere, misleading the population and decimating the economy on US soil. If policymakers had been sincere stewards of a sound US economy, interest rates would never have been allowed to go below around 5%, for example. Anyway ...

Good Luck!
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