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Old 06-01-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Obama just suppresses the economy and jobs, which suppresses all of the above groups you mentioned. BTW no one is taking away contraceptives, abortions, legal immigration, changing social security or medicare for anyone over 55, or stopping gay civil unions.
How, exactly, is Obama suppressing the economy and jobs? The economy is down because of lack of sales (demand), period.
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:20 AM
 
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There are many moderates in this country who might be willing to consider giving the Republicans a shot at trying to fix the economy, but the thing that stops them cold is the horrible reputation the Republicans have on social issues. They don't want to give Rebulicans control because they see what Republicans do and have desires to do to suppress women (subject them to invasive medically unnecessary vaginal ultrasounds, fight against equal pay for equal work, return to the practice of allowing medical insurance companies to charge more for women), suppress gays (by denying them the opportunity to marry and have their marriages recognized), suppress minorities (by passing laws that make every Hispanic looking person a suspect of being here illegally), suppress the poor (by cutting safety nets), suppress the elderly (by ruining Social Security through privitization and undermining Medicare), suppress voters (by trying every way they can to suppress voter turn-out and make it more difficult for citizens to vote). And on top of all that, you want to pad the bank accounts of the rich.

That is just too much to handle. The costs are too high to give the Republicans the White House to see if they could do a better job than Obama on the economy.

If Republicans were just fiscally conservative, that would be one thing. But, the socially conservative oppressive positions make Republicans completely repulsive. They take away freedoms and take away opportunities for advancement, and you lose a lot of votes you might otherwise get because of that.
Good post and this is really what we are seeing today is the GOP are no longer conservatives, but hard right wing fascist religious zealous.
They keep going further and further to the right, while this makes their base frothing at the mouth in joy and yelling "Yeeeeeeee ha! Re-pub-la-kins!!!!" hi-fiving each other, the independents, moderate democrats and sane conservatives are just shaking their heads and looking at this atrocity in complete disbelief.

Because of how insane and off the charts to the right the GOP has become, it's going to cost them this election and many more to come.
You would think they would have the intelligence to realize by now the american people are strongly against their ultra-right wing policies they are trying to force through, but the far right are not know to score high in the intelligence department.
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:21 AM
 
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There are many moderates in this country who might be willing to consider giving the Republicans a shot at trying to fix the economy, but the thing that stops them cold is the horrible reputation the Republicans have on social issues. They don't want to give Rebulicans control because they see what Republicans do and have desires to do to suppress women (subject them to invasive medically unnecessary vaginal ultrasounds, fight against equal pay for equal work, return to the practice of allowing medical insurance companies to charge more for women), suppress gays (by denying them the opportunity to marry and have their marriages recognized), suppress minorities (by passing laws that make every Hispanic looking person a suspect of being here illegally), suppress the poor (by cutting safety nets), suppress the elderly (by ruining Social Security through privitization and undermining Medicare), suppress voters (by trying every way they can to suppress voter turn-out and make it more difficult for citizens to vote). And on top of all that, you want to pad the bank accounts of the rich.

That is just too much to handle. The costs are too high to give the Republicans the White House to see if they could do a better job than Obama on the economy.

If Republicans were just fiscally conservative, that would be one thing. But, the socially conservative oppressive positions make Republicans completely repulsive. They take away freedoms and take away opportunities for advancement, and you lose a lot of votes you might otherwise get because of that.
fight against equal pay for equal work..yep the mantra of liberal and unions...how about pay for performance

the practice of allowing medical insurance companies to charge more

suppress minorities ...oh an ILLEGAL italian , who entered the country ILLEGALLY is now a minority???

suppress the poor ....hows the 'war on poverty' working??? ...since the 60's....liberal policies keep the poor in poverty...what we need is a helping hand UP...not the suppression of welfare

suppress the elderly....who cuts medicare...the liberals...who kept medicare at a 80/20 instead of a 100% like mediciad...the liberals...who put the ss trust fund into the general fund...the liberals

suppress voters ...you mean to ask for identification, so the voter in a specific district can show he does belong to that disctric and is who he says he is.....the question is why WOULDNT liberals want id...is it because then they couldnt commit their usual voter fraud???
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:23 AM
 
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Good post and this is really what we are seeing today is the GOP are no longer conservatives, but hard right wing fascist religious zealous.
They keep going further and further to the right, while this makes their base frothing at the mouth in joy and yelling "Yeeeeeeee ha! Re-pub-la-kins!!!!" hi-fiving each other, the independents, moderate democrats and sane conservatives are just shaking their heads and looking at this atrocity in complete disbelief.

Because of how insane and off the charts to the right the GOP has become, it's going to cost them this election and many more to come.
You would think they would have the intelligence to realize by now the american people are strongly against their ultra-right wing policies they are trying to force through, but the far right are not know to score high in the intelligence department.
the only fascists..are liberals

""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini

sounds like the liberal mantra to a tee
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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the only fascists..are liberals

""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini

sounds like the liberal mantra to a tee

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Koch bros, Karl rove, big oil, warmongering, the GOP are completely owned by their corporate masters to do their bidding, the epitome of fascism
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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the only fascists..are liberals

""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
Where did you get that absurd and self-serving definition, Glenn Beck?

This is what Mussolini actually wrote about Fascism -- and it's from a reputable source, Fordham University:

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...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....
Hmm... Which side denies class warfare?

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Fascism
fascism's goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately inferior is a prominent far-right stance.[8]

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Old 06-01-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Koch bros, Karl rove, big oil, warmongering, the GOP are completely owned by their corporate masters to do their bidding, the epitome of fascism
and who was the king of corporatism.....FDR

Corporatism aka fascism owing to the corporatist structures created by Mussolini's regime as well as in the latter years of the Third Reich under Albert Speer's direction. Corporatism was viewed by some as an appropriate strategy to prevent worker unrest, as well as a potentially and effective economic strategy. Franklin D. Roosevelt was one such proponent. While Roosevelt was not dictator- he declared a loathing for authoritarianism - his liberal corporatism was part of his vision for a "third way", reflected in the New Deal.




sorry but the liberals are twice the corporate globalists that most republicans are



As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.

He also created fascist labor unions, and therefore He controlled labor

During the Great Depression, Mussolini promoted active state intervention in the economy. He denounced the contemporary "supercapitalism" that he claimed began in 1914 as a failure due to its alleged decadence, support for unlimited consumerism and intention to create the "standardization of humankind". However, Mussolini claimed that the industrial developments of earlier "heroic capitalism" were valuable and continued to support private property as long as it was productive. With the onset of the Great Depression, Fascist Italy began large-scale state intervention into the economy, establishing the Institute for Industrial Reconstruction (Istituto per la Ricostruzione Industriale, IRI), a giant state-owned firm and holding company that provided state funding to failing private enterprises. The IRI was made a permanent institution in Fascist Italy in 1937, pursued Fascist policies to create national autarky, and had the power to take over private firms to maximize war production. Nazi Germany similarly pursued an economic agenda with the aims of autarky and rearmament and imposed protectionist policies, including forcing the German steel industry to use lower-quality German iron ore rather than superior-quality imported iron.

Fascists opposed the laissez-faire economic policies that were dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression. After the Great Depression began, many people from across the political spectrum blamed laissez-faire capitalism, and fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and communism.

Fascists declared their opposition to finance capitalism, interest charging, and profiteering. Nazis and other anti-Semitic fascists considered finance capitalism a "parasitic" "Jewish conspiracy". Fascist governments introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic interventionist measures.

Benito Mussolini promised a "social revolution" that would "remake" the Italian people. According to Patricia Knight, this was only achieved in part. The people who primarily benefited from Italian fascist social policies were members of the midde and lower-middle classes, who filled jobs in the vastly expanded government workforce, which grew from about 500,000 to 1,000,000 jobs in 1930 alone. Health and welfare spending grew dramatically under Italian fascism, with welfare rising from 7% of the budget in 1930 to 20% in 1940



again..the fascists of italy some very much like the modern liberals in america
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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fight against equal pay for equal work..yep the mantra of liberal and unions...how about pay for performance
How about that?

Productivity was on the rise. Did the workers get a slice of that productivity gain? No.



The middle-class were doing the best during the historical period when unionism was the strongest. Those gains were eroded starting with Reagan. Since then, income has been more and more concentrated in the very wealthy.

How someone who is a "retired marine" backs the corporate class and wealthy class over the interests of average workers is beyond logic.
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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and who was the king of corporatism.....FDR

sorry but the liberals are twice the corporate globalists that most republicans are
This is just downright hysterical. In your mind if FDR was a fascist, why would he declare war on his own ideology by going after fascist germany, italy, and other fascist powers?
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Old 06-01-2012, 10:38 AM
 
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Meanwhile, as unemployment has ticked up, again, your boy is off to six fundraisers rather than doing the job he claims he was elected to do.
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