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Old 09-28-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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You just keep telling yourself that. And come January, as you sob while Romney gets sworn in, you can think back and ask:

"how did the coverup of terrorism against America, and the death of an ambassador mean more than a truthful comment"?
Ah- the last gasp of desperation surfaces! Good luck on that one. National Security isn't going to say squat one way or the other, and everything else is just supposition with a stinking pile of nonsense piled on top.

Any old cowboy can tell you traction is hard to come by on a bunch of cow manure, but it sure sticks to the truck when tried.
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Old 09-28-2012, 04:59 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I was very much of the opinion that the 47% remark was not going to do him any damage.

  • I thought his hardcore supporters would agree
    • they were already going to vote for him - no net benefit
  • Obama hardcore supporters would be offended
    • they weren't going to vote for him anyway - no net harm
  • Fence sitters would shrug it off as they did with the Obama God and Guns gaffe
    • this is where I was wrong
    • they clearly did take offence and it is showing in all the polls
Not when bias is removed from the polls...
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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[/list][/list]Not when bias is removed from the polls...
Yet there's clear biased in that poll for Romney.

Contradict yourself much?
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Old 09-28-2012, 05:37 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Don't like the polls? They'll make up their own! LOL
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:44 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yet there's clear biased in that poll for Romney.
There's no bias for any candidate in these bias corrected polls:



The MSM polls over-sample Democrats to favor Obama. For example, the CNN/ORC poll in the chart above was based on a sample that included 50.5% Democrats. The makeup of the electorate, according to exit polls, in 2008 was 39% Democrats and 32% Republicans. The CNN/ORC poll's sampling of 50.5% Democrats was WAY too high. It was severely biased towards Democrats. After correcting for that and weighting the results to match the electorate makeup from 2008, Romney is actually 8 points ahead of Obama in that poll.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Its over for romney, fat lady will be singing pretty soon
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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There's no bias for any candidate in these bias corrected polls:



The MSM polls over-sample Democrats to favor Obama. For example, the CNN/ORC poll in the chart above was based on a sample that included 50.5% Democrats. The makeup of the electorate, according to exit polls, in 2008 was 39% Democrats and 32% Republicans. The CNN/ORC poll's sampling of 50.5% Democrats was WAY too high. It was severely biased towards Democrats. After correcting for that and weighting the results to match the electorate makeup from 2008, Romney is actually 8 points ahead of Obama in that poll.
Again - there's using a biased poll to claim that a poll without biased shows the picture clearly is ignorant and asinine. That poll you're attempting to use is biased through and through.

Say hello to 4 more years of Obama.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:07 PM
 
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Again - there's using a biased poll to claim that a poll without biased shows the picture clearly is ignorant and asinine. That poll you're attempting to use is biased through and through.
You've got that backwards. They've eliminated the bias.

The only way Obama can appear to be ahead of Romney is if the polls are heavily biased in favor of the Democrats, so they are.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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There's no bias for any candidate in these bias corrected polls:



The MSM polls over-sample Democrats to favor Obama. For example, the CNN/ORC poll in the chart above was based on a sample that included 50.5% Democrats. The makeup of the electorate, according to exit polls, in 2008 was 39% Democrats and 32% Republicans. The CNN/ORC poll's sampling of 50.5% Democrats was WAY too high. It was severely biased towards Democrats. After correcting for that and weighting the results to match the electorate makeup from 2008, Romney is actually 8 points ahead of Obama in that poll.
What is the breakdown now?
I read that people self-identifying as republican dropped by double-digits in the last month (!)
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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What is the breakdown now?
Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.
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