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Old 05-19-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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We shall rely then on the GOP's grand ability to make idiotic gaffes....
Oh, yes. Like saying something stupid about there being 59 states.

Oh, wait!
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:02 AM
 
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Keep whistling past the graveyard!
The fear the left instills in people probably prompts a lot of paranoid folks to bite their tongue so they don't get place on some enemies list. People don't want the power and might of government coming after them. We know for a fact that the partisan dems working within government, will coordinate with outside groups to use their power and position to punish and harass private citizens they disagree with.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Oh, yes. Like saying something stupid about there being 59 states.

Oh, wait!
That's not a gaffe that loses elections, but saying corporations are people or that a woman's reproduction organs shut down when being raped does.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:15 AM
 
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So I checked the numbers of the poll and its really interesting because it had 34% Democratic and 39% Republican. Now either there has been a seismic shift in the electorate that has just occurred last week that overturns at least a decade of party identification or this poll got a bad sample.

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

Upon reading further all the way to the bottom you can see this poll has the exact same problems as a similar poll in that is is a selective sampling of a collection of states that are as follows.

"Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, North Carolina, New
Hampshire, Oregon, South Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia."

So basically what this poll does is take voters in all those states and lumps them together to try and find trends in any given race. It is a terrible way to measure support in any individual race and as the party ID numbers show is going to be highly misleading on a national scale.
Considering the gap between liberal and conservative is so large each year, the democrats probably have a artificially inflated number.

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Old 05-19-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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Except that the gap between conservative and liberal has not grown any between 1992 and 2011 as your chart shows. Basic math will show that in 1992 the gap was 36-17 or 19% in 2011 it was 40-21 or 19%

The simple fact is that moderates tend to overwhelmingly side with the Democrats and there are Democrats that identify as conservative. The GOP tends to not have liberals anymore and moderates have been leaving the party since the 1990s.

Exit polls will show how those folks actually vote.

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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It doesn't matter.

The only thing that would improve the situation is if we were to elect a jack rabbit for president. If you think that either the democrats or the republicans have your best interests or the country's best interests in mind, you are living in a fantasy world.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The pubs will be able to make more trouble and obstruct more if they take the senate, but that is about all. It all turns around in 2016. Anyway, it is six months out. The economy is taking a strong turn toward the better and that will do wonders for people's attitudes.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:25 AM
 
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Except that the gap between conservative and liberal has not grown any between 1992 and 2011 as your chart shows. Basic math will show that in 1992 the gap was 36-17 or 19% in 2011 it was 40-21 or 19%

The simple fact is that moderates tend to overwhelmingly side with the Democrats and there are Democrats that identify as conservative. The GOP tends to not have liberals anymore and moderates have been leaving the party since the 1990s.

Exit polls will show how those folks actually vote.

Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
For the sake of context, I was staying with the Gallup poll, that was commented on in the post I was responding to. For whatever reason, Gallup has not done a poll on that since 2011, or I just cannot find it.

Ideology, Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, Republicans, Democrats, Social Trends

This link only shows that one poll from 2011:
Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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For whatever reason, Gallup has not done a poll on that since 2011, or I just cannot find it.

Ideology, Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, Republicans, Democrats, Social Trends

This link only shows that one poll from 2011:
Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.
Here is one.

Liberal Self-Identification Edges Up to New High in 2013

also the CNN exit polls from 2012 I would think would be a decent poll of ideological identification of voters.
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Old 05-19-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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So you choose to ignore the 20 something percent of people that said "don't know." That makes sense, I am sure you thought Romney was gonna win too when the polls said he was leading, yet ignored the amount of people who said "don't know." I am just being realistic here.
As if a the 2012 election is a barometer for the 2014 midterms.

That doesn't pass the laugh test, the logic test, the common sense test, or the REALITY test because nothing in the 2012 polls suggested Obama would take a drubbing like the polls today suggest for Democrats in November.
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