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I think some might underestimate the power of genes and hormones and sheer luck in life. I know it is hard to accept of course, and I dont believe I will convince anyone, but research shows that much of what we think about everyone being able to do whatever they set their mind on is simply not true. Even laziness has been shown to be largely genetic, same with intelligence, risk taking etc etc. Risk takers will always be risk takers, same with workaholics. This idea that they need 1000 times more "incentive" to do something they are inherently born to do with strike me as silly and just a self serving argument. And there is also a huge amount of luck involved not only in the genetic lottery but also who strikes it big. Sure, some incentive is good but all polls show that what people think is reasonable monetary incentives and what is actually the case in America today is way out of kilt.
Lets look at this a little further....the Bank Bailouts were not money provided for free, but a loan. The money was paid back with interest, and even at a profit.
I've covered this many times. No it was not paid back and even what was paid back was taking money out of one pocket and putting it in another. We lost billions on the car bail out and we really have no idea on the banks.
I'm on my phone but do I have to verify all of this again when I get home?
This doesn't even take into account the trillions provided by the QE programs which I am referencing above.
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I am not a fan of these bailouts, but there is a difference in a short term loan...than taking money from one part of the population to redistribute to others who "want some for themselves." Bernie is suggesting that the high income earners, who pay a disproportional share of federal taxes already should pay for more to help others (Top 20% of earners make 51% of income, but pay over 80% of federal taxes) which seems high to me.
The money lost on the bailouts should be covered by the poor? Bernie is calling for a small tax on trades. An absolutely fair way to put some of this money back into the hands of those who paid it.
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We could also talk about school loans, making college for free, but to fund everyone's education, taxes would need to go up on the middle class as well....I paid off my 65K in school loans without help, so I am not too sympathetic for folks who decide to take big loans and ask for help paying them back. The root problem is the unfettered increase costs in academia and the realization, that when one takes a loan, they are accountable for paying it off.
And yet the banks did that and did NOT pay it back. You say you aren't a fan but that doesn't get us our money back does it?
As an aside Bernie never said his program would provide an education for just anyone. No program even where available does that.
I do agree with Bernie on corporate welfare. The govt shouldn't crown kings. Why subsidize corn but not organic okra? I think more conservatives are coming around on this but many remain beholden to donors and lobbyist. I also favor strong environmental protection laws.
Yes, this is a very conservative position but Bernie gets labelled a socialist for it.
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On stuff like free tuition... you can not forgot human nature. People will choose their own short term short interest over the long term interest of their nation or world every time. That's why socialism only works in a handful of very advanced nations. It works with iron German work ethic, it fails in Greece where people want to hang out at the beach all day. What happened when the USSR guaranteed everyone a job no matter what? People were crappy workers. Laziness is encoded in our DNA. Our ancestors survived by getting the most while exerting the least energy.
I'm for safety nets but we need to be careful about enabling bad behavior.
He's been fighting for small business owners for 40 years. Small business owners has for decades been one of his major supporters in Vermont, and he is probably the most popular politician in Vermont in the last 50 years, routinely getting 25% of the Republican vote as well. They know what he is about. He's a straight shooter, always fighting for the little man. He is running on the same classic common sense pro-worker and pro-American policy platform that FDR, Truman and Eisenhower did, simply because he is not beholden to anyone other than the voters. He's had the same positions on the issues for decade after decade.
Completely laughable. Please explain to me how the hell you can stop someone from using their RIGHT to go to another country?
What legislation are you going to pass to tell someone they cant LEAVE?
i want an answer to this ridiculous left wing "platform"..
Companies didnt go abroad in the past like they do today, because the policies were in place to make sure that the interests of America was priority no.1, not the interests of corporations with no allegiance to America or American workers. Sanders has been vehemently opposed to all these disastrous "trade" deals over the decades, precisely because they throw American workers out on the streets while shipping good paying jobs to Mexico, China and other places with even worse wages and environmental protections. These days, corporations want to have it all. Cheap labor, no taxes, tariff free exports, no unions and they get away with it because they have corrupt politicians in their pockets.
I don't think you understand the discussion that was going on.
yes I did..
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I do agree with Bernie on corporate welfare. The govt shouldn't crown kings. Why subsidize corn but not organic okra? I think more conservatives are coming around on this but many remain beholden to donors and lobbyist. I also favor strong environmental protection laws.
Government picking winners and losers, is fascism, government allowing the free market to determine whats best is conservative.. The two are not even close to the same. Conservatives oppose subsidizing both corn, and other environmental policies given the free market will eventually figure out a way to make things like solar competitive..
Government picking winners and losers, is fascism, government allowing the free market to determine whats best is conservative.. The two are not even close to the same. Conservatives oppose subsidizing both corn, and other environmental policies given the free market will eventually figure out a way to make things like solar competitive..
Thats hilarious. So every successful country is fascist then.
No conservative believe in a truly free market. Where do you think computers, the internet and satellites came from? Its massive state intervention in the economy because the free market is inherently short sighted and wont fund basic research.
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