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Old 01-12-2016, 05:28 PM
 
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True conservative opposed this taking place, hell the only people that celebrated corn subsidies was lefties who promoted ethanol fuel and decreasing the use of oil.
"True Conservatives" is a cop out. How many times are you going to vote for someone, have them do the opposite of what you claim you stand for and then call them not really a conservative?

These "fake conservatives" have done at the very least their fair share of getting the country into the mess we are in.

We should vote for another Bush? Kasich that stole from S.S.? Cruz that wants to spend trillions more on wars and not pay for it?

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That might be what Bernie is saying but thats not the result of his proposals. It would be completely ridiculous to pretend we live in a stagnate economy where companies wont react to proposed legislation.
Bernie says what he means quite unlike someone like Ryan.
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Old 01-12-2016, 05:49 PM
 
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Please provide sources, as I have seen many sources that say the bank loans were paid back.
This explains how they just used other tax payer monies to partially pay back the first round of welfare.

Bailed-Out Banks Paying Back TARP With Govt*Money - Home - The Daily Bail

Banks: Paying Off One Government Bailout With Another | Marketplace.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...dT1R_blog.html

And.....

National Review Online

This also doesn't take into account the billions in bad loans the government took from them and placed in F&F. And who has to pay that off? The taxpayers.

Then we have to consider the billions the Fed paid the banks in interest for holding the money taxpayers gave them in the first place.

Do I need to continue?

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Now the auto loans may be another story, as I would have preferred a bankruptcy there....
And pray tell how will Bernie pay for more school...lets guess, taxing those folks who build small businesses ....
Shouldn't you find out before condemning him? He plans on a small tax on each trade made on Wall Street. As I said, getting the taxpayers a little of their money back.

16.6 billion lost on the auto bailout.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncar...llion-n1952771
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Lebanon, OH
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The best reason for democrats to support Bernie is that he is not Hillary Clinton, even democrats are capable of opposing the most corrupt person in US history to run for president.

Seriously, the GOP would have a field day running attack ads against Hillary, they have 25 years worth of material to attack her over.
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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You spout a lot of doom and gloom but you're not citing any examples or statistics. Why don't you calm down, focus, and come up with something that supports your arguments.

I would also challenge you to look at Bernie Sander's Issues page and see if there is anything you would agree with. Just one thing.

And then pick out any of his policies/agenda (just one), and report back.

1 thing you agree with him on, 1 thing you disagree with him on, and we'll discuss. I'll do the same after you of whichever respective candidate you support.
I'm not the one whining that anti trust laws have been weakened. If thats what you believe then YOU should cite examples.

Since you seem to be a Sanders supporter, tell me how the hell the USA will legislate stopping businesses from moving overseas. That is his platform, so cite for me how thats even possible given once they leave the US, they are no longer bound by our laws..

Think....
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:47 PM
 
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"True Conservatives" is a cop out. How many times are you going to vote for someone, have them do the opposite of what you claim you stand for and then call them not really a conservative?

These "fake conservatives" have done at the very least their fair share of getting the country into the mess we are in.

We should vote for another Bush? Kasich that stole from S.S.? Cruz that wants to spend trillions more on wars and not pay for it?

Bernie says what he means quite unlike someone like Ryan.
If you are going to attack conservatives for their belief, then be prepared to have it pointed out that the example, is not at all conservative. There is NOTHING conservative about governmental subsidies for private businesses PERIOD..
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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If you are going to attack conservatives for their belief, then be prepared to have it pointed out that the example, is not at all conservative. There is NOTHING conservative about governmental subsidies for private businesses PERIOD..
But yet it's what those that the "conservatives" vote for do so it's a worthless argument.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:08 PM
 
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I'm not the one whining that anti trust laws have been weakened. If thats what you believe then YOU should cite examples.
You were given a huge piece of information to read and you ignored it, but here it is again:

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Less well remembered is how New Deal-era and subsequent banking regulation long served to contain the growth of banks that were “too big to fail” by pushing power in the banking system out to the hinterland. Into the early 1990s, federal laws severely limited banks headquartered in one state from setting up branches in any other state. State and federal law fostered a dense web of small-scale community banks and locally operated thrifts and credit unions.

Meanwhile, bank mergers, along with mergers of all kinds, faced tough regulatory barriers that included close scrutiny of their effects on the social fabric and political economy of local communities. Lawmakers realized that levels of civic engagement and community trust tended to decline in towns that came under the control of outside ownership, and they resolved not to let that happen in their time.

In 1966, the Supreme Court blocked a merger of two supermarket chains in Los Angeles that, had they been allowed to combine, would have controlled just 7.5 percent of the local market. (Today, by contrast there are nearly 40 metro areas in the U.S where Walmart controls half or more of all grocery sales.) Writing for the majority, Justice Harry Blackmun noted the long opposition of Congress and the Court to business combinations that restrained competition “by driving out of business the small dealers and worthy men.”

Meanwhile, bank mergers, along with mergers of all kinds, faced tough regulatory barriers that included close scrutiny of their effects on the social fabric and political economy of local communities. Lawmakers realized that levels of civic engagement and community trust tended to decline in towns that came under the control of outside ownership, and they resolved not to let that happen in their time.

The government’s role in regulating prices and levels of service in transportation was also a huge factor in promoting regional equality. In 1952, the Interstate Commerce Commission ordered a 10-percent reduction in railroad freight rates for southern shippers, a political decision that played a substantial role in enabling the South’s economic ascent after the war. The ICC and state governments also ordered railroads to run money-losing long-distance and commuter passenger trains to ensure that far-flung towns and villages remained connected to the national economy.


Into the 1970s, the ICC also closely regulated trucking routes and prices so they did not tilt in favor of any one region. Similarly, the Civil Aeronautics Board made sure that passengers flying to and from small and midsize cities paid roughly the same price per mile as those flying to and from the largest cities. It also required airlines to offer service to less populous areas even when such routes were unprofitable.
Read more:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...iverge/417372/
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:12 PM
 
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But yet it's what those that the "conservatives" vote for do so it's a worthless argument.
Given the lack of choices between candidates, even a moderate Republican moves the nation to the left.. Once you create a subsidy, it exists, and unconstitutional to remove outside the budget process.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:13 PM
 
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You were given a huge piece of information to read and you ignored it, but here it is again:


Read more:

Why the Economic Fates of America
That doesnt backup your position that laws were weakened..

Still waiting for you to tell me how Bernie Sanders is planning to go after corporations who move outside of our borders..
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:16 PM
 
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That doesnt backup your position that laws were weakened..

Still waiting for you to tell me how Bernie Sanders is planning to go after corporations who move outside of our borders..
What are you talking about? Man, of course they are, they are no longer in place!

There is a ton of information for you to read if you are interested here, but you dont seem interested in any discussion at all.

Where does Bernie Sanders stand on the issues? – FeelTheBern.org
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