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Old 03-11-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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Business sense? 4 bankruptcies, Trump "university" being investigated for fraud, Trump steaks=fail, Trump vodka=fail, Trump airlines = fail, Trump casinos = fail,

Common sense?
I feel uncomfortable defending a guy i really don't support but again this is a bad line of attack. Trump's entire life is making investments and deals. To point out failures as proof of poor business sense is not going to stick because it is balanced by the successes as well. For example: Any private equity or venture capital firm or frankly any real estate firm that does a good volume of deals will in fact have a roster of losing deals. This is a fact. Any entrepreneur would tell you they learn far more from deals gone bad than good. Your also pointing out steaks/vodka that are licensing arrangements that use his name. The entire industry of casinos in Atlantic City have failed and there have been some very successful companies unable to make things work there.

All I'm saying is that legit concerns about the guy get lost in the white noise of all the spurious attacks.

 
Old 03-11-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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I feel uncomfortable defending a guy i really don't support but again this is a bad line of attack. Trump's entire life is making investments and deals. To point out failures as proof of poor business sense is not going to stick because it is balanced by the successes as well. For example: Any private equity or venture capital firm or frankly any real estate firm that does a good volume of deals will in fact have a roster of losing deals. This is a fact. Any entrepreneur would tell you they learn far more from deals gone bad than good. Your also pointing out steaks/vodka that are licensing arrangements that use his name. The entire industry of casinos in Atlantic City have failed and there have been some very successful companies unable to make things work there.

All I'm saying is that legit concerns about the guy get lost in the white noise of all the spurious attacks.
Totally agree. Many (very successful) venture capital firms experience failure on anywhere from 50% to 80% of their ventures, but the success of the few good ones far exceed the cost of the failures.

Whether or not you like Trump, if you're going to look at his business records you need to consider the successes along with the failures.
 
Old 03-11-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: NE FL
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Want to hang out with this guy? Took this pic yesterday in Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida (near Jacksonville):

 
Old 03-11-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Deluded people gunning for the Trumpocalypse think they are being rebels or radicals, but really they are just being reckless. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
 
Old 03-11-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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Must really suck to be some of these people
Hate Obama
Hate Hillary
Hate Bernie
Hate Trump
My supposed 5th grade education is sensing a pattern here.
 
Old 03-11-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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I hope I am wrong, but I would think you should need some sort of political resume to be president.
 
Old 03-11-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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To point out failures as proof of poor business sense is not going to stick because it is balanced by the successes as well.
All I'm saying is that legit concerns about the guy get lost in the white noise of all the spurious attacks.
How about his pattern of consistent lying, regarding his failed ventures?
In the wake of Mitt Romney's recent criticism, Trump took to the stage in an attempt to rebut most of the claims made by Romney regarding tRump's many business failures. Sure, not every endeavor into which a businessman ventures will be a hit, but wouldn't you respect him more if he admitted those mistakes, rather than telling outright lies about them?

Take a look at this brief, humorous excursion into the fantasies of Trumpland, and if you are being totally honest, you will have to admit that this is not a spurious attack:

Donald Trump's Victory Speech/Infomercial - The Daily Show with Trevor Noah Video Clip | Comedy Central



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Old 03-11-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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Business sense? 4 bankruptcies, Trump "university" being investigated for fraud, Trump steaks=fail, Trump vodka=fail, Trump airlines = fail, Trump casinos = fail,

Common sense?
Trump Real Estate = win. All the rest were just ways to pump money into his real estate holding companies.
 
Old 03-11-2016, 01:42 PM
 
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I'm a Republican, and I'm trying to figure out who are these people supporting Trump. When I searched google, these were the first 3 links, I'm not sure if they are liberal websites or not but the answers were disheartening.

Who Are Trump's Supporters? | RealClearPolitics
Who Are Donald Trump's Supporters? - The Atlantic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...h-in-5-charts/

Highlights from the first link,

"In terms of demographics, Trump’s supporters are a bit older, less educated and earn less than the average Republican. "

second link,
1. They didn't go to college
2. They don't think they have a political voice
3. They Want to Wage an Interior War Against Outsiders
4. They Live in Parts of the Country With Racial Resentment

third link,
male, less formal education, lower-income

To me he is like the White Obama, just a lot of talk.
 
Old 03-11-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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Trump Real Estate = win. All the rest were just ways to pump money into his real estate holding companies.
May be true. However, look at the line of attack and how silly it is. On the one hand you have a guy who has spent his life in the private sector doing deals that turn out good, bad and indifferent. Then you have the candidates attacking the "failed" deals. Which is quite astonishing given the fact that none of them really have accomplished anything other than graduate law school and become politicians. Now I'm not saying that they arent qualified because of that, but their line of attack is weak and Trump's supporters see right thru this. The very nature of the attack is not a winning one. There are other legit criticisms that get lost because of this.
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