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How much would our cost of living increase if everything that was made in China is now made in the US? Is it low enough to justify the additional manufacturing jobs? I wonder.
you should really listen to Obama's speech from yesterday and especially the part about why Globalism isn't going away ever. Technology has enabled people to move capital around the world in ways that were never possible before. We need a more level playing field were, instead of blowing up trade, we increase our exports to a growing middle class in the developing world to balance trade deals.
First, the 14th Amendment, grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States. This has been upheld to mean exactly what it says. See: United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
Second, whether California allows non-citizens residing in California to receive in-state tuition rates is up to California, not anyone else, including Congress. The rationale is obvious, but lost on some, that even if one is not a citizen, one pays taxes to California regardless of citizenship status and therefore is entitled to the benefits thereof.
Wrong. "Subject to the jurisdiction of" and illegals are here illegally. Wong Kim ark's parents were here legally on work permits.
That's just a canard. Canada has accepted 25,000 Syrian refugees and will double that to 50,000 by the end of 2016. Since October 2015, only 5,186 Syrian refugees have been resettled in the US. Syrian refugees comprising mostly of women, children, and the elderly fleeing war and oppression aren't a threat to the U.S. In fact, that's how most Americans can trace their roots.
Most Americans do not trace their roots to a religion that radicalizes some of the children of refugees, such as the Tsarnaev Brothers, one of the San Bernardino terrorists, and the Orlando terrorist.
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First, the 14th Amendment, grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States. This has been upheld to mean exactly what it says. See: United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
Wrong.
It only grants citizenship to the children who are born here to those who are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.
Thus, it excludes children born to foreign diplomats and illegal aliens, given that said foreign diplomats and illegal aliens are the citizens of other countries who are subject to the jurisdiction of those countries, not the U.S.
That is to say, they can seek help and representation from the embassies and consulates of those foreign countries.
While they are here, they are supposed to obey our laws, but they are still the citizens of those other countries.
Last, it's pretty obvious that the framers of the fourteenth amendment didn't have the anchor babies of illegal aliens in mind when they drafted that amendment. They were interested in giving full citizenship to former black slaves.
Of course, liberals will read into the Constitution anything that they want, regardless of common sense.
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Second, whether California allows non-citizens residing in California to receive in-state tuition rates is up to California, not anyone else, including Congress. The rationale is obvious, but lost on some, that even if one is not a citizen, one pays taxes to California regardless of citizenship status and therefore is entitled to the benefits thereof.
That's nonsense.
When an illegal alien pays less to go to college than a U.S. citizen going to the same college, then it is not just a state issue, it is a national issue.
And if illegals don't want to pay taxes -- which many of them don't pay in any significant amount, anyway -- they are perfectly free to leave this country.
No one is stopping them.
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How much would our cost of living increase if everything that was made in China is now made in the US? Is it low enough to justify the additional manufacturing jobs? I wonder.
If you have a job, you'll give one answer.
If you don't have a job, you'll give a different answer.
From what I hear, labor costs are not that big a percentage of the price of any given product.
Most of the price is in distribution, packaging, advertising and taxes.
Labor intensive services are a different story. But it's hard to clean someone's house in California (or fill a cavity or represent someone in court) if you're in China, so those services would mostly not be affected.
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Again totality of the circusmstances. You don't know what that means do you?
I got a new word for you: evidence! You can't kick someone out of the country without evidence that he/she is illegal. This simple concept seems to be lost on you.
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3. SSN
Names are tied to social security numbers. You know feds and police have access to SSN database don't you?
What are you talking about?! McFly, the illegals can just refuse give a SSN but still claim to be a citizen!
Or he/she gives a SSN that belongs to another person, how do the cops know the person's name from the database doesn't match the person sitting in front of them? They need to dig deeper, thus takes up more time.
Yes, if the cops spend enough time, they will eventually gather enough evidence to deport the illegal - but that's not the point. The point is that those are TIME CONSUMING work.
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4. Most illegals do have there consular cards on them so they can buy booze and get phones etc
Think Einstein, once the police start searching for consular cards and deporting people based on them, you think the illegals will still carry them?
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5. You're an ignoramous. Illegals probably admit to being illegal more than half of the time
And what about the rest of the time??!! You just admitted that the cops do need to dig deep and investigate some of the time. Those are time-consuming work that the cops don't want to do.
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Do you want to continue speaking about something you know very little about? Or do you want to continue to appear ignorant and make yourself look foolish?
Then why am I the one who has to explain to you why using the police to do ICE work is time consuming and ineffective?
CITIZENS ARE CITIZENS AND BELONG HERE. ILLEGALS DO NOT BELONG HERE.
where did you get this information that "police don't like ice work"
I already posted links to articles that said cops don't like doing those crappy work.
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The brick wall is you and it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall
"I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell."
― Harry Truman
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NO. what's bankrupting this country is 180 to 230 billion a year lost on illegals. 230 billion times 20 years is about 4,600,000,000,000 spent or lost on illegals.
You can't win this argument
Huh? $180 to $230 billions is around 1% of our GDP. You think that meager 1% of our GDP is bankrupting this country?? You're not good at math are you?
If you insist on using dollar and cents to justify this, then let's do it but let's do it right - illegals contribute to the economy too, they buy things, they pay rent, and they pay taxes. To do a fair analysis, you have to factor in how much they spend as well as how much they consume.
There are 11.3 millions illegals in this country.
Studies show that the average person on poverty spends $2,000 a month on basic necessities. Let's say the illegal only spends half of what a very poor person normally spends.
If the average illegal spends only $1,000 per month. That's $136 billion per year. I don't know where you get your numbers but the World Bank estimates our government spends $130 billions a year on illegals. So the illegals spending and consuming is pretty much a wash.
Yes, our government can save hundreds of billions if they are removed but it also takes away hundreds of billions of consumer spending. You can argue that their void will be filled by local workers; but with the economy already below 5% unemployment, there simply aren't enough locals to fill the void.
Not to mention - the wall will not work, and any program to hunt down and remove illegals is costly and ineffective.
Bottom line is you cannot solve an economic problem with force.
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I got a new word for you: evidence! You can't kick someone out of the country without evidence that he/she is illegal. This simple concept seems to be lost on you.
What are you talking about?! McFly, the illegals can just refuse give a SSN but still claim to be a citizen!
Or he/she gives a SSN that belongs to another person, how do the cops know the person's name from the database doesn't match the person sitting in front of them? They need to dig deeper, thus takes up more time.
Yes, if the cops spend enough time, they will eventually gather enough evidence to deport the illegal - but that's not the point. The point is that those are TIME CONSUMING work.
Think Einstein, once the police start searching for consular cards and deporting people based on them, you think the illegals will still carry them?
And what about the rest of the time??!! You just admitted that the cops do need to dig deep and investigate some of the time. Those are time-consuming work that the cops don't want to do.
Then why am I the one who has to explain to you why using the police to do ICE work is time consuming and ineffective?
You fail in so many levels it's almost ridiculous to the point of being amusing.
Names are attached to social security numbers. Give a name and if a citizen then there will be a social security number. No social security number, no ID, no english, no passport, no documents of any kind? Most likely an ILLEGAL.
Sure. Go ahead and try to play that game and not give any info. Its going to wind up very bad and there will be charges added on top. The illegals will be discovered.
Heck even Illinois made it easy to find several hundred thousand illegals. They gave them licenses that say "not valid for identification" with their addresses on them. A legit federal government can issue immigration arrest warrants from the list as well as all other states that issue licenses.
You're either an illegal, an anchor, or you are an illegal alien sympathizer
I already posted links to articles that said cops don't like doing those crappy work. "I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell."
― Harry Truman
Huh? $180 to $230 billions is around 1% of our GDP. You think that meager 1% of our GDP is bankrupting this country?? You're not good at math are you?
IF you insist on using dollar and cents to justify this, then let's do it but let's do it right - illegals contribute to the economy too, they buy things, they pay rent, and they pay taxes. To do a fair analysis, you have to factor in how much they spend as well as how much they consume.
There are 11.3 millions illegals in this country.
Studies show that the average person on poverty spends $2,000 a month on basic necessities. Let's say the illegal only spends half of what a very poor person normally spends.
If the average illegal spends only $1,000 per month. That's $136 billion per year. I don't know where you get your numbers but the World Bank estimates our government spends $130 billions a year on illegals. So the illegals spending and consuming is pretty much a wash.
Yes, our government can save hundreds of billions if they are removed but it also takes away hundreds of billions of consumer spending. You can argue that their void will be filled by local workers; but with the economy already below 5% unemployment, there simply aren't enough locals to fill the void. Not to mention - the wall will not work, and any program to hunt down and remove illegals is costly and ineffective.
Bottom line is you cannot solve an economic problem with force.
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An article from some liberal moron. Street cops love arresting illegals and calling ice. Again you think you know everything but your just full of fantasies and hope.
230 billion Ă— 30 years is 6,900,000,000,000 (6.9 TRILLION) dollars. You say it's meager?
Illegals cost tax dollars and they send billions out of the country every year. Each illegal doesn't spend 1000 dollars a month . There's 20 illegals living in a 3 bedroom house. Illegals are in jails and prisons, they clog emergency rooms, they fill our schools, they clog roads, they use WIC and welfare, the list goes on and on.
It is not a "wash".
You're spewing propaganda
The real unemployment rate is not 5%. Walls do work. You just don't want it to be built.
Zuckerberg is the biggest hypocrite globalist of them all. He says "build bridges rather than walls" yet he builds boundaries and walls around his compounds
You fail in so many levels it's almost ridiculous to the point of being amusing.
Names are attached to social security numbers. Give a name and if a citizen then there will be a social security number. No social security number, no ID, no english, no passport, no documents of any kind? Most likely an ILLEGAL.
OMG, tell me you are fracking kidding!!
Police: Hey suspicious person without an ID, what's your name?
Illegal: Jose Rodriquez.
Police: OK, I see there are many SSNs attached to this name. Using westcoastforme's logic, you must be a legal citizen. You are free to go.
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Sure. Go ahead and try to play that game and not give any info. Its going to wind up very bad and there will be charges added on top. The illegals will be discovered.
They are going to be deported, you think those little extra charges make a significant difference?
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Heck even Illinois made it easy to find several hundred thousand illegals. They gave them licenses that say "not valid for identification" with their addresses on them. A legit federal government can issue immigration arrest warrants from the list as well as all other states that issue licenses.
As soon as the federal government starts busting illegals based on that information, the illegals will ditch the cards and move to different addresses. You seem to always assume that the illegals are static and inflexible.
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You're either an illegal, an anchor, or you are an illegal alien sympathizer
I don't care how you define it, but it should dawn on you by now that none of your ideas work.
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An article from some liberal moron. Street cops love arresting illegals and calling ice. Again you think you know everything but your just full of fantasies and hope.
230 billion Ă— 30 years is 6,900,000,000,000 (6.9 TRILLION) dollars. You say it's meager?
In addition to being bad at math, you also seem to be bad at logic. You think multiplying the annual cost by 30 to make the number bigger is going to suddenly validate your argument??
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Illegals cost tax dollars and they send billions out of the country every year. Each illegal doesn't spend 1000 dollars a month . There's 20 illegals living in a 3 bedroom house. Illegals are in jails and prisons, they clog emergency rooms, they fill our schools, they clog roads, they use WIC and welfare, the list goes on and on.
It is not a "wash".
You're spewing propaganda
Bad at math and also bad at calculating expenses. If all a person does is eat at a fast food restaurant three times a day and assuming a happy meal cost $7.50 and breakfast $6.00 after tax, that comes out to $630 a month just on food. Plus rent, clothes, transportation, cell phones, and other basic necessities; $1,000 a month is probably not enough to cover all the expense. I just use that number to be super conservative.
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The real unemployment rate is not 5%. Walls do work. You just don't want it to be built.
There is only one way to calculate the unemployment and it is below 5%. But conservatives always seem to be inventing some new math in order to win an argument.
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Zuckerberg is the biggest hypocrite globalist of them all. He says "build bridges rather than walls" yet he builds boundaries and walls around his compounds
If walls work like you're trying to claim, then alright then, build all the walls you need and we can get rid of all the guns.
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